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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    He didnt say cut off all taxes, he said people are paying too much in taxes. Stop putting words in people's mouth that they didnt say.
    Im guessing when someone says this: "In fact we get nothing of value in return and they are nothing more than stolen wealth." They probably are in favor of 0 taxes...


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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im guessing when someone says this: "In fact we get nothing of value in return and they are nothing more than stolen wealth." They probably are in favor of 0 taxes...
    I would think that even the most hardcore libertarian will tell you that while taxes are evil, they are a necessary evil. The goal therefore is not to eliminate taxes but to reduce them to the point of having a minimal impact on one's daily life. Since I own land I have no problem paying property tax, if there was a tax strictly for the implementation and construction of infrastructure projects such as roads and bridges I probably wouldnt mind paying that too but I am against any form of income tax that relies on government discretion to spend on where they please, such as entitlements.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I would think that even the most hardcore libertarian will tell you that while taxes are evil, they are a necessary evil. The goal therefore is not to eliminate taxes but to reduce them to the point of having a minimal impact on one's daily life. Since I own land I have no problem paying property tax, if there was a tax strictly for the implementation and construction of infrastructure projects such as roads and bridges I probably wouldnt mind paying that too but I am against any form of income tax that relies on government discretion to spend on where they please, such as entitlements.
    Sure but such a strong statement as this says something.. And we dont know until he/she replies.


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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Are you serious?

    Making your OWN money makes the state a dependent by default? Hell, why not just rob everyone's paycheck and just trust the "state" to do the right thing?

    I can't believe so many people think liberty is a sin.
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    "The book also contains a vigorous defense of minarchist libertarianism against more extreme views, such as anarcho-capitalism (in which there is no state and individuals must contract with private companies for all social services). Nozick argues that anarcho-capitalism would inevitably transform into a minarchist state, even without violating any of its own non-aggression principles, through the eventual emergence of a single locally dominant private defense and judicial agency that it is in everyone's interests to align with, because other agencies are unable to effectively compete against the advantages of the agency with majority coverage. Therefore, he felt that, even to the extent that the anarcho-capitalist theory is correct, it results in a single, private, protective agency which is itself a de facto "state." Thus anarcho-capitalism may only exist for a limited period before a minimalist state emerges".

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    I don't have a major issue with the progressive tax rates, but I do object to the income tax rate starting at 0%. The minimum tax should be whatever the smallest legal tender unit is at the time. If it is a penny, then pony up and pay your penny. That should be the price of living in a modern society. If there are 80 million people that pay no federal income tax, then that would bring in $800,000

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    The same people that want lower taxes are the same people that want the government to be fiscally responsible. You don't find that too be funny?

    It's like a household that makes $20,000 who lives on $40,000 and tries to cut their expenses to make up the $20,000 difference. It's very funny.
    It may be funny, but not sustainable.
    Our government can sustain deficit spending when we are growing at a fast pace.
    Over our first 200 years, the Government averaged an 8% annual raise.
    They still get raises, but not like in the first two centuries.
    The practice of base line budgeting, needs to stop.
    Spending does not need to be cut, frozen would work almost as well.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I don't have a major issue with the progressive tax rates, but I do object to the income tax rate starting at 0%. The minimum tax should be whatever the smallest legal tender unit is at the time. If it is a penny, then pony up and pay your penny. That should be the price of living in a modern society. If there are 80 million people that pay no federal income tax, then that would bring in $800,000
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Opportunities to create wealth draw on common resources. Public space and services and private goods whose quality and protection are ensured by the state.

    "Making your own money" is an oxymoron. The enforcement of the laws makes an individual's money as much as any effort they put into it.
    Great - more "you didn't create that, I did" Obama blowjob talk.

    Mediocre people have that mentality.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    You must worship Robert Nozick, Gipper

    Anarchy, State, and Utopia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "The book also contains a vigorous defense of minarchist libertarianism against more extreme views, such as anarcho-capitalism (in which there is no state and individuals must contract with private companies for all social services). Nozick argues that anarcho-capitalism would inevitably transform into a minarchist state, even without violating any of its own non-aggression principles, through the eventual emergence of a single locally dominant private defense and judicial agency that it is in everyone's interests to align with, because other agencies are unable to effectively compete against the advantages of the agency with majority coverage. Therefore, he felt that, even to the extent that the anarcho-capitalist theory is correct, it results in a single, private, protective agency which is itself a de facto "state." Thus anarcho-capitalism may only exist for a limited period before a minimalist state emerges".

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    He sounds pretty wise, although I'm not sure that a brief period of anarcho-capitalism would cause a proper "night-watchman" minarchist state to emerge. The system of corruption that would come about could be too well financed to allow for a proper government to take limited necessary power. Any kook who thinks America is a "corpocracy" would agree with that.

    I think an-caps are nutjobs, as are people who want to completely abolish taxes.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think an-caps are nutjobs, as are people who want to completely abolish taxes.
    We need taxes 'cause roads.

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