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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Now we're talking corruption. That's a different kettle of fish. What's a parallel scenario we could apply the same principles too? How about blacks and crime. You want to attack the problem of corruption by attacking an entire class of people in which some use their wealth to corrupt public officials and thereby harm society. Some blacks commit crime and thereby harm society, so what would you propose be done about ALL blacks in order to reduce crime in society.

    I'm curious to see how this group-based punishment idea works.
    I feel like you've said this before.

    I'm not sure our perceptions of corruption agree with each other. Legally, an act of corruption would be paying a politician money to vote for legislation they otherwise wouldn't. But if a guy votes in patterns favorable to a specific industry, there's no effective barrier to him landing a cushy job in that industry later simply because he is admired and respected. If he puts it around he is interested in such a position, the big social circles in D.C. will introduce him to the right people.

    For me, anything that isn't fanatical devotion to the ideals of public service is corruption. The only future for an ex-politician is the monastery. They can't be allowed any private gain from their political career because even the opportunities of that come with being an ex-public servant will have a corrupting influence on their ability as lawmakers.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Dick, I don't care if you take me seriously or not...
    Mislabelling a poster deliberately like that is against the forum rules... and it also makes you look like a whining child.

    ...and BTW, internet tough guys are generally the biggest pussies on the planet. Care to reinforce the point?
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Mislabelling a poster deliberately like that is against the forum rules... and it also makes you look like a whining child.

    ...and BTW, internet tough guys are generally the biggest pussies on the planet. Care to reinforce the point?
    If my opinion offends you, sorry. BTW, I love pussies...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Please read your post #214 and get back to me...
    This doesn't state nor indicate that people are scared of wealth... try reading for comprehension this time!

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    I haven't said what I want... I am merely pointing out that rich people make too much money and that poor people, in many instances, don't make enough. That scares people and I understand that better than most as I was raised in a wealthy family.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If my opinion offends you, sorry. BTW, I love pussies...
    Calling me "Dick" is an opinion? That is simply retarded ... or that I am a dick and you are calling me such... which is against the rules.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    But if a guy votes in patterns favorable to a specific industry, there's no effective barrier to him landing a cushy job in that industry later simply because he is admired and respected.
    Tax policy. When someone leaves government bureaucracy or leaves public office and takes a job in the public sector, they face a 15 year period of a 90% surtax on the marginal gain of their inflation-adjusted income from what they earned before they entered government/public service or from what they earned during public service. An SEC or FDA regulator working for an agency which has been captured by the industry it is regulating cannot personally benefit by taking a new job as a lobbyist or as an employee of one of the firm's he was charged with regulating.

    Guys like Geithner and Orzag, jumping from academia/FRB to Executive posts and then to Citibank vice-chairman would be **** out of luck. Same with politicians who go on to become lobbyists.

    For me, anything that isn't fanatical devotion to the ideals of public service is corruption.
    I admire that but for that to happen the public service can't be both a dumping ground for patronage appointments and a receptacle bin for affirmative action appointments (we eliminated the Civil Service Exams due to racial disparate impact.) We actually need a professional civil service of competent people. The IRS scandal shows the problems of a weaponized civil service. It's not just money which corrupts, ideology is just as potent.

    The only future for an ex-politician is the monastery.
    The problem really isn't so much civil service, it's the size of government. When government is small, then its decisions affect fewer people and the size of the effect is also often smaller. When government is big, then its decisions affect a lot of people and in substantive ways. This means that when we have Big Government we also create large incentives to bend the government to our own goals.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It appears crystal clear to me those who believe in distribution of wealth do so because they don't have to pay hardly a penny to fund all that they deem "fair". They also are most likely recipients of such entitlements. By introducing tax reform that made EVERYONE pay their fair share to cover the cost of all entitlement spending as well as funding the highways they use often and enjoy the idea of safe borders, then and only then will people realize that there is no such thing as a Rock Candy Mountain where money grows on trees and nothing is ever really free. Someone has to pay for it and that someone should include them. It would stop the feckless spending and this constant search of a new victim in need of entitlements. Instead personal responsibility may well be restored. Imagine that!
    I've asked more than once on here why the people receiving food stamps, rent assistance, and other financial assistance from the government should not be expected to work off some of the benefits that they receive. I was told that it would be unfair and discriminatory to expect them to do that! Huh? President Roosevelt did it during the Great Depression, and the people not only loved him for it, but we are still enjoying the national parks and other work they did. Since Roosevelt was apparently wrong, in their opinion, I've stopped asking. I still think it was a great idea he had, though, since self esteem is so important when you are considered an asset to society, and not a drag on same, but what do I know?

    Greetings, Vesper. .

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Calling me "Dick" is an opinion? That is simply retarded ... or that I am a dick and you are calling me such... which is against the rules.
    Listen, I don't care if you wish to deny what you posted. I also don't care if you're incapable of understanding my responses, but if resorting to insinuating a rules violation is all you've got for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I haven't said what I want... I am merely pointing out that rich people make too much money and that poor people, in many instances, don't make enough. That scares people and I understand that better than most as I was raised in a wealthy family.
    then you can understand why I have stopped posting here as often as I used to do so...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    $500,000 a year isn't really that much money.
    That's pretty pathetic.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Listen, I don't care if you wish to deny what you posted. I also don't care if you're incapable of understanding my responses, but if resorting to insinuating a rules violation is all you've got for this...



    then you can understand why I have stopped posting here as often as I used to do so...
    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    I haven't said what I want... I am merely pointing out that rich people make too much money and that poor people , in many instances, don't make enough.

    That scares people

    and I understand that better than most as I was raised in a wealthy family.
    "Incapable of understanding your responses"?

    Dude, you are pretty ****ing funny!

    Did my break down help this time or do you need me to sound out the words for you now?
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