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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that may have merit. if you are making between 400K and several million, you are the group that pays the highest effective tax rate and you are way overtaxed.

    some billionaires perhaps not though they pay far more actually dollars than millions of Americans combined

    The Very Rich Are Different--They Pay A Lower Tax Rate - Forbes
    Not overtaxed. Fairly reasonably taxed, and still enjoying incredible benefits for what they're paying. The billionaires should be paying more dollars than millions of Americans combined. They have more dollars than a hundred million Americans combined.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is a crock of **** distraction tactic that you're using. Most of the taxes that we pay are used for INCOME REDISTRIBUTION and not for providing PUBLIC goods, like roads, schools, border control, national defense, policing, courts, etc.
    Your in the wrong country if you don't believe in progressive taxes. The founders saw it as a way to stop the wealthy from gaining undue influence over govt. Something they feared because of the European model at the time. The made no mention of "income redistribution" They just thought it greedy to want so much more than you needed to prosper and as Ben Franklin so aptly said......

    "All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Your in the wrong country if you don't believe in progressive taxes. The founders saw it as a way to stop the wealthy from gaining undue influence over govt. Something they feared because of the European model at the time. The made no mention of "income redistribution" They just thought it greedy to want so much more than you needed to prosper and as Ben Franklin so aptly said......
    If the FOUNDER(S) believed that then they should have incorporated those principles into the founding documents.

    Here's some other things that the Founder(s) believed:

    "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
    --Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

    "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
    --Thomas Jefferson--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

    "And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
    --Samuel Adams, as Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

    "I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
    --Alexander Hamilton, Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.

    "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
    Patrick Henry--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I believe so. Depending on your state of residence, you could be paying almost half your total income to the taxman.
    ...ah, NO! This is a common misconception derived when you add a bunch of numbers that do not add together. NO ONE is paying anywhere near 50% of income in taxes. The biggest taxpayers pay more like 30-35%

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If the FOUNDER(S) believed that then they should have incorporated those principles into the founding documents.

    Here's some other things that the Founder(s) believed:

    "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
    --Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

    "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
    --Thomas Jefferson--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

    "And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
    --Samuel Adams, as Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

    "I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
    --Alexander Hamilton, Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.

    "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
    Patrick Henry--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.
    Apparently the notion of Theocracy might well have been a gleam in those folks eyes. I hold reservations for....like say Jefferson. I guess they weren't in the same train of thinking with James Madison who said that he was keenly aware of what religion did to Europe the previous 500 years, which he called a blood bath.

    Yea for James Madison and other members of the founds who exercised a little logic and reason.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Apparently the notion of Theocracy might well have been a gleam in those folks eyes. I hold reservations for....like say Jefferson. I guess they weren't in the same train of thinking with James Madison who said that he was keenly aware of what religion did to Europe the previous 500 years, which he called a blood bath.

    Yea for James Madison and other members of the founds who exercised a little logic and reason.
    And yet almost all liberals wax rhapsodic about Europe and wish we were more like Europe. Funny that.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If the FOUNDER(S) believed that then they should have incorporated those principles into the founding documents.

    Here's some other things that the Founder(s) believed:

    "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
    --Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

    "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
    --Thomas Jefferson--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

    "And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
    --Samuel Adams, as Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

    "I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
    --Alexander Hamilton, Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.

    "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
    Patrick Henry--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.
    There is nothing more outdated than 250 year old opinions on religion. Most westerners today are not very religious. You might as well quote the founders opinion of blood-letting as treatment for disease. Did you know that George Washington died from too much of that "treatment"?
    What does stand the test of time is their hatred of the wealthy aristocracy. They knew that too much wealth in too few hands would be dangerous to the Republic.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There is nothing more outdated than 250 year old opinions on religion. Most westerners today are not very religious. You might as well quote the founders opinion of blood-letting as treatment for disease. Did you know that George Washington died from too much of that "treatment"?
    Can you remind me of who it was upthread that thought the opinion of one man living 250 years ago was so important to this issue? Go after that person and really lay into him for dredging up out-of-date ideas that have no relevance to the issues of today.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    But who will build the roads?
    There should be a nationwide system of road tolls to be set up. This way those that use infrastructure are the ones who pay for it.

    And I think all income taxes should be eliminated. The gubmint shouldnt take money that people earn.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Are you serious?

    Making your OWN money makes the state a dependent by default? Hell, why not just rob everyone's paycheck and just trust the "state" to do the right thing?

    I can't believe so many people think liberty is a sin.
    Progressives are statists. Pocket dictators. They know exactly what you need to do.

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