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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this country's history has had more years without a graduated income tax so the precedent is a fail
    That's misleading, you must count only the years we've had an income tax, not the years we depended upon tariffs.


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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its unfair that I pay far more for the same benefit that a poor person gets

    your concept of fairness is one of many. but mine is more objective

    if you receive the same value as I do, you should pay the same amount for it

    same with cars, pantyhose, cheeseburgers and movie tickets
    Let me get this straight. Are you advocating a flat tax? or a Poll tax?

    For example: A person making $10,000 will pay $1,000 with a flat tax of 10%. A person making $1,000,000 will pay $100,000 with a flat tax of 10%. With a poll tax both persons would pay
    $50,500 each.

    The second one is the most fair but you can easily see that it wouldn't work.

    Sometimes you have to do what works more than what's fair. Wouldn't you agree? of do you think it should always be fair? The hell with what is practical.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Who are you talking about? Rush Limbaugh's imaginary friends?
    no fake conservatives

    people who vote for big spenders



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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    When low income people have a significant expense such as taxes it can interfere with their ability to purchase basic necessities, like medical care, food, clothing etc, When high income people have a significant expense such as taxes it will not interfere with their ability to purchase basic necessities, it only interferes with their ability to purchase a yacht or a summer home. Higher taxes have much less impact on the quality of life and health of the rich. That is why progressive taxes are fair and appropriate.
    So, it's my responsibility to subsidize all low income people? Where is that in the Constitution? In fact, in the Declaration of Independence, the wording is "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    The key word is Pursuit, not Guarantee, of Happiness.

    What is definitive are the terms LIFE and LIBERTY. Nothing ambiguous or couched in those.

    Life is the the free exercise of our own mind, body and talents to the end of which they can take us.

    Liberty is the guarantee that what our Life produces IS OURS, no one else'.

    Pursuit of Happiness is the guarantee that we will not be hindered in our Life, or our Liberty, by a government or any other outside force.

    Progressive taxes are a heartwarming idea, that steal our the product of the lives of those that are successful, and are imposed in a form that steals our Liberty (Tyranny), and done so in a naive attempt to Guarantee Happiness for others at the expense of the few.

    As long as over 51% or more of the population can vote people into office under the auspices that they will receive the Life and Liberty of others in the form of tax subsidies taken from others at the point of a gun or under threat of imprisonment, then the LIBERTY of this country and that of its citizens... doesn't exist.

    Now, we can talk about our social safety net, which I support. And we can talk about our other programs that help the poor, which I support. But if we do, we will also need to talk about how to reform those programs so that they survive and are less wasteful.

    And, we need to talk about EIT, AMT, and making everyone pay into the system; even just a little bit. That way everyone has ownership and a willingness to make the system survive. Similar to the difference between the way person takes care of a house they own, versus the way most people that rent do not care because someone else will have to pay to repair and maintain it.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Let me get this straight. Are you advocating a flat tax? or a Poll tax?

    For example: A person making $10,000 will pay $1,000 with a flat tax of 10%. A person making $1,000,000 will pay $100,000 with a flat tax of 10%. With a poll tax both persons would pay
    $50,500 each.

    The second one is the most fair but you can easily see that it wouldn't work.
    No income tax whatsoever. user taxes and consumption taxes. but a flat fee is the only Fair tax. everyone should theoretically pay the same cost of citizenship, Of course many cannot so a consumption tax is the answer

    ANYTHING that allows the many to raise the taxes on the few without facing tax increases themselves has to be eliminated



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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's misleading, you must count only the years we've had an income tax, not the years we depended upon tariffs.
    that's really stupid and rejected as being stupid



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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they don't tend to be as quick to demand more and more government
    Where is this fairy tale land where poor people sit around and demand more government? Are you and Rush Limbaugh the only ones who visit this fairy tale land? What government services are these poor people demanding? Are they demanding a bigger library? Are they demanding a larger police force? Are they demanding larger AFDC payments? Are they demanding more food stamps? or


    Are you making this up just like Rush Limbaugh does?

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post


    Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.

    Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

    Reg: Yes.

    Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

    Reg: All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

    Xerxes: The aqueduct.

    Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

    Masked Activist: And the sanitation!

    ............[later after several other benefits mentioned]

    Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

    Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this. (more general murmurs of agreement)

    Reg: All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?



    Monty Python What Have the Romans Ever Done For Us (from Monty Python's Life of Brian)
    Cute.

    Now, WTF does that have to do with what I said? That's right... Nothing.
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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this country's history has had more years without a graduated income tax so the precedent is a fail
    I know. It isn't working is it? Our nation has collapsed and people are starving in the street.

    I understand escaping reality to visit a better world, but why do you escape reality to live in a worse world? That defeats the point of fantasy. Doesn't it?

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    Re: Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Where is this fairy tale land where poor people sit around and demand more government? Are you and Rush Limbaugh the only ones who visit this fairy tale land? What government services are these poor people demanding? Are they demanding a bigger library? Are they demanding a larger police force? Are they demanding larger AFDC payments? Are they demanding more food stamps? or


    Are you making this up just like Rush Limbaugh does?
    oh lots of middle class don't understand the cost of government

    I just wrote a 200K check to the IRS-I certainly know the cost of government and I know I don't get nearly in return for what I pay for because so many people get far more benefits than they pay in taxes.

    what party does the lower middle class and poor vote for normally"

    when Obama says "the rich need to pay their fair share" (if that were true we'd be paying 1% of the taxes not 40%) who is he pandering to?



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