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Should the US Send Troops to Ukraine?

Should the US Send Troops to Ukraine?

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    Votes: 29 93.5%
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MildSteel

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Should the US sends troops to Ukraine?

With Ukraine possibly descending into civil war, should the US send in troops to support the government?
 
Re: Should the US sends troops to Ukraine?

No. Support? I'm on the fence.
 
Re: Should the US sends troops to Ukraine?

US troops? Hell no. If Europes not worried, I'm less than not worried.
 
Re: Should the US sends troops to Ukraine?

Yea, we should also be invading Russia and Great Britain :doh
 
Re: Should the US sends troops to Ukraine?

We should get Romania to request NATO protection...and give it to them in Spades.
 
What could we gain from such action? A pile of dead Ukrainians, and a nuclear standoff with Russia?

No thanks.
 
Re: Should the US sends troops to Ukraine?

MildSteel said:
With Ukraine possibly descending into civil war, should the US send in troops to support the government?
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This is a problem the EU got Ukraine into and it is a European country. The EU made itself dependant on Russian energy. The USA had warned them.
Now this doesn't mean the US should sit on the fence. It should support its allies. But it is not an American problem and we should not make it ours.

Maybe the free riders will better understand, what responsibility costs.
 
We should get Romania to request NATO protection....and supply it in the Black Sea and in the country. I think a carrier group, a couple attack subs, perhaps a few dozen fighter bombers....and some seals might make Putin consider his current direction. Definitely rethink further expansion.
 
We should work with our European and Asian allies to invest in renewable energy and drilling so that that goddamned bear can never roar at us again. A major program coordinated to end all dependency on both Russian and OPEC sources. And when the slavs squeal that we are unfairly locking them out, we should remind them that they brought it on themselves by thinking they were a more than an oil producing banana republic. We should show the world that we don't need them and that we are going to leave them behind. Such a move would do more than any show of military strength for our long term interests.

In reality though, we'll do nothing of the sort and the Europeans will keep doing deals with the devil. The US should ensure that when the devil comes for his due, it's not us paying the tab. And part of that is not sending troops to guard Europe's frontiers.
 
tecoyah said:
We should get Romania to request NATO protection....and supply it in the Black Sea and in the country. I think a carrier group, a couple attack subs, perhaps a few dozen fighter bombers....and some seals might make Putin consider his current direction. Definitely rethink further expansion.
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Without energy independence from Russia, all that will accomplish will be giving Putin an excuse to double down on military modernization/expansion.

And who will be held responsible to sacrifice their domestic agenda to pay for the free worlds security? It ain't gonna be the swiss.
 
MildSteel said:
With Ukraine possibly about to descend into civil war, should the US send in troops to help the government?
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Civil War?

I do believe the people of the Ukraine are fighting insurgents, Russian speaking, claiming to be from Crimea.

I also believe that since the west touched this hole thing off through CIA meddling in Kyiv two months ago, and therefor have a responsibility to either use its diplomatic influence or some military aid to back off the Russians.

What will happen is the Kyiv will return to puppet Russian leadership as it was a few months ago.

Another international initiative by the Obama administration.
 
I also believe that since the west touched this hole thing off through CIA meddling in Kyiv two months ago, and therefor have a responsibility to either use its diplomatic influence or some military aid to back off the Russians.
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Are we the only country that takes responsibility for its actions?

Can we start blaming the Mossad when our government is incompetent?
 
MildSteel said:
With Ukraine possibly about to descend into civil war, should the US send in troops to help the government?
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I'm not in favour of the US sending troops directly to the region. That would be a provocation that likely would not end well.

That said, the US did sign an treaty agreement with Ukraine, Russia also a signatory, that in exchange for Ukraine relinquishing their nuclear weapons they would be protected by the signatories from any invasion of Ukraine. Seems to me that the US does, as such, have a higher level of responsibility in helping Ukraine get past this problem.

I would, however, be much more comfortable if any such action was withheld until after the new elections in Ukraine in May. This interim government does not have the approval of the people, only the approval of the parliament, and the US and NATO may be entering a situation where, in the end, they will be seen as the invading parties.
 
MildSteel said:
With Ukraine possibly about to descend into civil war, should the US send in troops to help the government?
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I would give a qualified no to that.

The EU mishandled its relationship with Ukraine and caused the situation. Ukraine is a European country and the regional solution should be from within the neighborhood. The free riders in EU should begin to learn what responsibility costs. The US warned the EU and especially the Germans of becoming dependent on Russian energy and the poopooed arrogantly.
Nevertheless, we should stand by our allies and help. But it is an EU problem and we should not make it ours.
 
No troops of course. That is lunacy.

We should beef up the bordering NATO members though. Don't want them to be a tempting target.

We should help Ukraine with military and non-military aid to the max extent possible short of actual troops. Remember, Russia has been supplying Assad for the last few years. If we had put any assets close enough to Syria to be shot at, they would have been shot at with Soviet/Russian made arms (probably supervised by Russian advisors). They are also supporting the Iranians which is in direct conflict with our interests. Why is it that we are so concerned with not supplying lethal aid, but Russia gets a free pass to supply our enemies with lethal aid? We're handicapping ourselves and others with that policy.

We should be working tirelessly to stem Europe's dependence on Russian gas and oil.

We should expand economic sanctions.

We should NOT be talking about slashing nuclear weapons. Sends the wrong message.

We should be upgrading our nuclear capability and general weaponry capabilities to reflect a military moving away from the irregular warfare of the last 13 years and more toward it's traditional role as a strategic deterrent.

Obama is doing some of these slowly. I think he could do more and faster. He's still acting like there's a way Russia can stop now (it won't), and still be allowed back into the international community as though nothing happened (it shouldn't).
 
tecoyah said:
We should get Romania to request NATO protection....and supply it in the Black Sea and in the country. I think a carrier group, a couple attack subs, perhaps a few dozen fighter bombers....and some seals might make Putin consider his current direction. Definitely rethink further expansion.
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I doubt it.
 
Joby said:
Without energy independence from Russia, all that will accomplish will be giving Putin an excuse to double down on military modernization/expansion.

And who will be held responsible to sacrifice their domestic agenda to pay for the free worlds security? It ain't gonna be the swiss.
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NATO member nations...mostly the United States. Likely far less costly than the last fiasco.
 
MildSteel said:
With Ukraine possibly about to descend into civil war, should the US send in troops to help the government?
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No! The USA/CIA/NED/NGOs created this problem and they can't cure it. They should ask Russia to bring troops in to stabilize Ukraine. Russia has been the only consistently honest actor in this embroglio. Russia was the only Nation actually helping Ukraine. We installed a rabble "opposition" gov't that likely killed their own protestors in Kiev with Parubliy's snipers operating out of the Ukrainya Hotel under absolute control of the opposition. The USA installs pre-ordained "billionaire oligarchs" to secure Central Bank interests, not the Ukrainian people's interests. Now the oligarchs want to kill brother Ukrainians to maintain control. John Brennan, the head of the USA CIA was in Kiev over the weekend to initiate the go ahead for the coming war. The USA is the bad actor in this kabuke show imitating a spontaneous opposition overthrow. The spontaneous opposition is what is occuring now. It is opposition Ukrainians, not terrorists, spontaneously objecting to Western control/influence over thir affairs.
 
MildSteel said:
With Ukraine possibly about to descend into civil war, should the US send in troops to help the government?
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Yes. We should dramatically expand the upcoming exercises in July and accelerate them to this coming month. Move troops to Kiev and Odessa to block a potential Russian advance and keep them along the Dnieper River. This avoids potential contact with Russian troops (I'm sorry 'Russian militants') and make a would be Russian invasion that much more blatant. It is imperative that we act quickly.
 
tecoyah said:
We should get Romania to request NATO protection....and supply it in the Black Sea and in the country. I think a carrier group, a couple attack subs, perhaps a few dozen fighter bombers....and some seals might make Putin consider his current direction. Definitely rethink further expansion.
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And maybe Estonia, Poland, and some of the other NATO countries that are currently under threat of Russian expansion.

Send troops to Ukraine? No.

Rebuild the Iron Curtain except this time from our side within NATO countries and call it the Liberty Shield, and isolate Russia? Most definitely.
 
Sherman123 said:
Yes. We should dramatically expand the upcoming exercises in July and accelerate them to this coming month. Move troops to Kiev and Odessa to block a potential Russian advance and keep them along the Dnieper River. This avoids potential contact with Russian troops (I'm sorry 'Russian militants') and make a would be Russian invasion that much more blatant. It is imperative that we act quickly.
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The neocons have spoken!!! :lamo
 
MildSteel said:
The neocons have spoken!!! :lamo
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No, just one neoconservative. However I think many more would agree with me. Using military tools and associated levers to oppose the advances of a hostile Great Power and one that is inimical to the interests of liberal and democratic hegemony.
 
Think of it this way, if the US invaded Mexico, would Russia intervene. I don't approve of Russia's actions, but why should we jump into their sphere of influence. Lets not reignite the Cold War
 
tecoyah said:
NATO member nations...mostly the United States. Likely far less costly than the last fiasco.
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So, once again, the US can pick up the tab (like we have since 1945) for guarding Europe's frontiers while they grapple with austerity. And expanding high speed rail. And universal healthcare.

The only entitlement Republicans like is Europe feeling entitled to American protection (and defense dollars).

Rebuild the Iron Curtain except this time from our side within NATO countries and call it the Liberty Shield, and isolate Russia? Most definitely.
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Just make sure you leave enough holes in the "shield" for Russian pipelines going west, and European money going east.

But seriously, building a wall is a horrible idea.

Using military tools and associated levers to oppose the advances of a hostile Great Power and one that is inimical to the interests of liberal and democratic hegemony.
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Using military tools did little to end the Cold War compared to the economic ones (ie increasing our dependence on saudi oil). Today, as long as our NATO allies are financing Russia's military expansion, there will be little accomplished by a bloated military budget.
 
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