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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    To say that someone has no principles is a pretty bold statement.
    You just admitted that she shifts her view with her voting block, and that she's just a political actor. That's called having no principles.

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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    You just admitted that she shifts her view with her voting block, and that she's just a political actor. That's called having no principles.
    Many people flip flop on issues. I would still say that they have some principles anyways.


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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Because in Ron Paul's universe, we don't need to operate in the rest of the world for anything. Trade agreements, military agreements, flight agreement...nothing. We've got everything we need right here.
    It would be sad day indeed if America found itself having to depend on it's own resources. It is our privilege, nay, destiny to take from other's to quench our needs. The rest of the world will just have to understand. We are Americans.

    I remember Ron Paul getting boo'd at the debates for telling the GOP audience some sad truths they could not accept. That took courage even if it fell on deaf ears. I think Ron Paul does have some baggage that's hard to get around. It would make for media fodder and endless and useless debate.

    Not sure he could deliver the whole package to unite a GOP base. He's way too honest. I wouldn't recommend running him but I would vote for him over Hillary.

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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It would be sad day indeed if America found itself having to depend on it's own resources. It is our privilege, nay, destiny to take from other's to quench our needs. The rest of the world will just have to understand. We are Americans.

    I remember Ron Paul getting boo'd at the debates for telling the GOP audience some sad truths they could not accept. That took courage even if it fell on deaf ears. I think Ron Paul does have some baggage that's hard to get around. It would make for media fodder and endless and useless debate.

    Not sure he could deliver the whole package to unite a GOP base. He's way too honest. I wouldn't recommend running him but I would vote for him over Hillary.
    Local economies can be stable, but it's international trade that tends to result in the thriving of economies and cultures. It has its pitfalls to be sure, but completely insulated economies (and again, cultures) are stagnant.

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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Local economies can be stable, but it's international trade that tends to result in the thriving of economies and cultures. It has its pitfalls to be sure, but completely insulated economies (and again, cultures) are stagnant.
    Yeah, you right. I can't say that I am totally familiar of some of the thing's Ron Paul has said and done in his past. And, we have to admit, he's a funny looking little fellow with some communication methods that make a lot of people uncomfortable. He's certainly no dashing person jumping out of the cockpit or dunking a basketball. The "image" is just not there.

    The few years I have paid attention to him, he has said some things I totally agree with. Kinda of like it used to be when I was staunchly republican. I think he might be the best bet to bring out the middle from both sides. Now that Christie's defunct. (Or, is he?????)

    I would vote for Pee Wee Herman over Hillary. Well, maybe not. I'd probably just go fishin'.

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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    You just admitted that she shifts her view with her voting block, and that she's just a political actor. That's called having no principles.
    Jesus if that ain't some tea party logic. If she works with members from across the aisle is she selling out her base too?

    Views change and evolve with the times. If the President comes up, with the director of the CIA in tow, and informs you that country X is about to develop nuclear weapons and use them on Israel and America, should you continue supporting the war effort for "principle" when the whole thing turns out to be a croc of ****? How many lives were lost in Vietnam because the politicians had to maintain the "principle" that the US was right all along and that the tens of thousands of dead where not in vain? Was Bobby Kennedy a flip flopper sans principle when he chose to oppose the war after initially being supportive of the American presence? Or was his a common-sense response to the situation and facts on the ground?

    America's defining political philosophy is, and has been, Pragmatism. It's why there are 6 states in New England when 1 would do. Why we have a federalized system of government that has more redundancy than anywhere else. The tea party forgot that, I feel, when they were shutting down the government and threatening to default on the Full Faith and Credit of The United States for some principle that they didn't make clear. Our full faith and credit, never blemished, almost ruined...to make some dumbass point about princples. It almost brings tears to my eyes.

    Anyways, I digress. I am going to vote for the next President of the United States, and I think she'll be fantastic.
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    Re: If These Were The 2016 Presidential Candidates...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Local economies can be stable, but it's international trade that tends to result in the thriving of economies and cultures. It has its pitfalls to be sure, but completely insulated economies (and again, cultures) are stagnant.
    Ron Paul has been consistently against any protectionist policies and is quite anti-populist on that front. One of the things he threw at Republicans, as Capn America mentioned, was that the embargo on Cuba has been a complete failure and waste of time and that he would immediately end all restriction on trade when elected. He said this in Miami, no less. Not saying I like Paul, but he was always consistent on free market principles.

    He should not be wholly blamed for the GOP turning into a toxic mix of Dixiecrat Libertarianism: a disgusting conglomeration of states rightists and anti-regulators who offer nothing but small minded, retro-fitted throwbacks to the xenophobic hordes still looking for ways to win elections by keeping blacks out whilst blaming hispanic workers for the end of the middle class.

    To think that used to be the party of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower. Instead, today's GOP looks more like the bastard child of Barry Goldwater and George Wallace.
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    If Ron Paul was in charge back during WWII we would've never invaded Germany and there wouldn't be a Jew left alive today. He would've said "not our problem."
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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