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Double Standard?

Is there a double standard with how domestic violence is viewed?


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Bodi

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Is there a double standard regarding violence against men, from women?

Man assaults woman. Bad. And it should be...

Woman assaults man. Funny. And it shouldn't be...

Just look at Jerry McGuire. He breaks up with girlfriend and she beats him up. Comedy.

Cops don't arrest women who assault a man in domestic situations.

27% of the time the man struck the first blow; in 24% of cases, the woman initiated the violence. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling.

Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Physical Violence in American Families, 1976 - Murray Arnold Straus, Richard J. Gelles - Google Books
 
There is.

Had a case near to where I live where a man was basicaly laughted at by the police and the village when he repeatedly reported that his wife was assaulting him.

And one day his wife smashed his head in with a hammer... at which point nobody laughted anymore.
 
Well, I think it has a lot to do with the seriousness of the threat. Generally, men are much bigger and stronger than women.
 
Absolutely, and one of many reasons I don't identify as a feminist.
 
Is there a double standard regarding violence against men, from women?

Man assaults woman. Bad. And it should be...

Woman assaults man. Funny. And it shouldn't be...

Just look at Jerry McGuire. He breaks up with girlfriend and she beats him up. Comedy.

Cops don't arrest women who assault a man in domestic situations.

27% of the time the man struck the first blow; in 24% of cases, the woman initiated the violence. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling.

Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Physical Violence in American Families, 1976 - Murray Arnold Straus, Richard J. Gelles - Google Books

You can say that the way outsiders view the situation is slanted to be funny when men are abused and to be tragic when women are abused. To be fair, law enforcement officers are not outsiders. They have to analyze the situation and consider the specifics of the case. They don't operate with vague generalities. If the husband is a 350 pound body builder who get's beat up by his 110 pound anorexic girlfriend, I don't think she will be hauled off to jail. He is free to laugh it off as a cute thing. If the wife is a 350 pound muscle lady and beats up on her 110 pound sickly husband then I am sure she is going to jail for domestic assault.

It's a case by case basis. If we are going to operate in the big picture by using generalities then yes. Logic would dictate that woman on man violence is laughable because most men are stronger and larger than women.

This really isn't a problem like you are making it out to be.
 
Absolutely, and one of many reasons I don't identify as a feminist.
Are feminists in the habit of condoning domestic violence? In my personal experience, it's men who are more likely to scoff at the notion of a man being abused by a female partner and cast it aside as a sign of weakness. Unfortunate really.
 
Are feminists in the habit of condoning domestic violence? In my personal experience, it's men who are more likely to scoff at the notion of a man being abused by a female partner and cast it aside as a sign of weakness. Unfortunate really.

Men are bad for that, but alot of feminists view that as an attack on womens' rights. "Women should have the benefit of the doubt in any situation." I just have a personal issue with modern feminism. I think feminists have an awful double standard, and modern feminism is more about superiority than equal rights.
 
Men are bad for that, but alot of feminists view that as an attack on womens' rights. "Women should have the benefit of the doubt in any situation." I just have a personal issue with modern feminism. I think feminists have an awful double standard, and modern feminism is more about superiority than equal rights.

Yeah, none of that is true.
 
Is there a double standard regarding violence against men, from women?

Man assaults woman. Bad. And it should be...

Woman assaults man. Funny. And it shouldn't be...

Just look at Jerry McGuire. He breaks up with girlfriend and she beats him up. Comedy.

Cops don't arrest women who assault a man in domestic situations.

27% of the time the man struck the first blow; in 24% of cases, the woman initiated the violence. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling.

Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Physical Violence in American Families, 1976 - Murray Arnold Straus, Richard J. Gelles - Google Books

Interesting proposition, but there's much more updated information. "Gender symmetry violence" is the term used to describe all of the statistical relationships regard violence between so-called "Intimate Partners Violence".

Curious, Bod...why is the topic in the forefront of your mind?
 
Yeah, none of that is true.

modern feminism is more about superiority than equal rights.

That's awesome. I look forward to seeing a society that operates in that fashion. Are there any historical examples where this was attempted?

This is something that I would love to read about. I hear that the Corinthian Church discussed in the Bible lived in a society where women had dominant roles. I have also heard about the Amazons. It is widely argued that this was a ficticious society that never really existed. If either of you know of a time period and/or nation where women superiority was practiced I would love to know about it. This is something that I find fascinating and disappointing that it hasn't been attempted more often.
 
This really isn't a problem like you are making it out to be.

Actually it is. Stats say that 38-44% of domestic abuse cases are men being attacked by women and the number is growing. In 86% of those cases women use some type of weapon. Women are not arrested as much and statistics show that most men don't report abuse because it isn't manly. So the number could be even higher than 38-44%.
 
You can say that the way outsiders view the situation is slanted to be funny when men are abused and to be tragic when women are abused. To be fair, law enforcement officers are not outsiders. They have to analyze the situation and consider the specifics of the case. They don't operate with vague generalities. If the husband is a 350 pound body builder who get's beat up by his 110 pound anorexic girlfriend, I don't think she will be hauled off to jail. He is free to laugh it off as a cute thing. If the wife is a 350 pound muscle lady and beats up on her 110 pound sickly husband then I am sure she is going to jail for domestic assault.

It's a case by case basis. If we are going to operate in the big picture by using generalities then yes. Logic would dictate that woman on man violence is laughable because most men are stronger and larger than women.

This really isn't a problem like you are making it out to be.

There are women who use law enforcement's obvious bias against men to their advantage every day. They instigate the fight and then report they've been attacked. They should be horse-whipped.

Tom knows a guy who's on parole. His girlfriend is always beating the crap out of him . . . he runs for the hills. The only defense he feels he's allowed in the eyes of the law.

Why is he with her? Probably the same reason a woman stays with an abuser.
 
Interesting proposition, but there's much more updated information. "Gender symmetry violence" is the term used to describe all of the statistical relationships regard violence between so-called "Intimate Partners Violence".

Curious, Bod...why is the topic in the forefront of your mind?

I was watching Jerry McGuire for the umpteenth time and it suddenly hit me that it really isn't funny... that, and 5 years ago or whenever it was my wife assaulted me and the cops shrugged it off even though she knows and used Judo against me in front of our girls. I was backing away and blocking so it was kinda like Jet Li versus Jackie Chan.
 
There are women who use law enforcement's obvious bias against men to their advantage every day. They instigate the fight and then report they've been attacked. They should be horse-whipped.

Good point Maggie...
 
Well, I think it has a lot to do with the seriousness of the threat. Generally, men are much bigger and stronger than women.

Right, but isn't physical violence against another illegal regardless?
 
Yeah, none of that is true.

I hate to tell you, but it is. I've been to feminist meetings. I've met feminists. I've joined feminist groups. Most of the women involved are more concerned with their own twisted double standard than any sort of equal rights. It's a sad truth.

I'm not a feminist, get over it. Even if modern feminists weren't all caught up in the empowerment nonsense, I still wouldn't be one. I don't support "womens' rights." I don't support "gay rights." I don't support "black rights." I don't support "asian rights." I support individual rights. I support the right of every individual to have equal rights and treatment no matter their race, sexuality, or gender. I feel like focusing on minorities is part of the problem. "Oh we need to cater to the minorities." No, actually, we don't. Being a gay woman, I have grown up being told that society owes me something that I have not gotten. I was told that I will never amount to anything unless I'm a militant a**hole and shove my gender and sexuality down everybody's throats. I believed it for a long time. But eventually I ditched the whole "woe is me, I'm a minority" crap and just went my own way. I realized that, while there are sexists and homophobes out there, if I just leave everyone alone for the most part I don't have any problems.
 
Yes it is a double standard, and it's no laughing matter whether the man or the woman initiates it. Women get arrested too if the man says he hit her. I know it used to not be that way.

I agree with a pp that society doesn't really see it as a national problem. You don't see too many people getting fired up over it. I also think it has to do with how males and females interact. Take for instance an adult mother and son joking about who's football team is better. The mom might slap the son on the arm(jokingly) while saying her team is better. The son laughs it off. Take two adult siblings. The sister might jokingly punch the brother over a lighthearted disagreement or some sibling name calling. They both laugh it off. You rarely see this the other way around. You see women jokingly hit men all the time, but never see men do it. We have just been ingrained that men can take it(and they cN when it's playful). There may be a correlation with how ppl process it.
 
I was watching Jerry McGuire for the umpteenth time and it suddenly hit me that it really isn't funny... that, and 5 years ago or whenever it was my wife assaulted me and the cops shrugged it off even though she knows and used Judo against me in front of our girls. I was backing away and blocking so it was kinda like Jet Li versus Jackie Chan.

I don't think violence is funny no matter who instigates it. Obvious women can and some do engage in significant violence against men. I think that the dynamics involved are more complex than most know or understand.

Reports that are disseminated from various agencies and organization - most will make the disclaimer that certain aspects or types of violence aren't included. So I personally don't know who provides all inclusive correlations verses specific types of violence statistics which are somehow manipulated to attempt to give us a "big picture" depiction of domestic violence.

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Is there a double standard regarding violence against men, from women?

Man assaults woman. Bad. And it should be...

Woman assaults man. Funny. And it shouldn't be...

Just look at Jerry McGuire. He breaks up with girlfriend and she beats him up. Comedy.

Cops don't arrest women who assault a man in domestic situations.

So is the problem the act of assault or how much damage you do?
 
So is the problem the act of assault or how much damage you do?

To me it is the assault... the intent. That should be what the law is about to. When my wife went to attack me she meant to hurt me. Just because I was better at martial arts than she was shouldn't excuse the assault. I regret not demanding that charges be filed against her but that is what happens to most men. Cops show up, don't want to arrest the female and kinda talk the guy out of it... guy feels like, "well, she is just a woman and I can take it" and lets it go... even if she is arrested the courts go easier on her than a man. I don't know... just a sexist system.
 
To me it is the assault... the intent. That should be what the law is about to. When my wife went to attack me she meant to hurt me. Just because I was better at martial arts than she was shouldn't excuse the assault. I regret not demanding that charges be filed against her but that is what happens to most men. Cops show up, don't want to arrest the female and kinda talk the guy out of it... guy feels like, "well, she is just a woman and I can take it" and lets it go... even if she is arrested the courts go easier on her than a man. I don't know... just a sexist system.

I actually think there is a a lot of validity to this claim and that restructuring or equalizing this is probably not a bad idea. I do think however that we have to be cautious not to leave women more vulnerable in the process.

Do you think that men more often of the option of just walking away ? I woman probably rarely has that option but typically even if the woman did initiate a man CAN walk away rather than retaliate. It seems opening the door to giving permission to retaliate when it is not necessary is a risk.
 
Yeah, none of that is true.

You're right, none of it is true.

This OP has nothing... and I mean nothing... to do with "feminism". It has to do which centuries-old societal norms that expect men to control their women, and any man who is "hen-pecked" to the point of being assaulted by a mere female is looked at with contempt and derision by... other men!

Were the cops who laughed at the man in The German's town who complained of being assaulted by his wife feminists? No, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority if not all of them were men... men who pointed and laughed at him, men who derided him, men who insulted his masculinity instead of arresting the woman who'd committed a crime against him.

Women are quite capable of hurting a man, usually because they pick up a weapon to even things out, be that weapon a bat, a knife, or a hammer. Even in the US, men who have been verbally abused and physically assaulted by their wives or girlfriends are treated as laughing-stocks by the male police officers to whom he turns for help. It's a serious issue that has been ignored and kicked under the carpet for ages...

...but it has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with the cult male machismo which cannot wrap its brain around the fact that some pathetic little female can actually be a threat to someone twice her size and full of testosterone.

It's time to educate males and females that women who abuse men are just as liable for that abuse as men who abuse women. Then the justice system has to step in and make certain that actually happens.
 
I actually think there is a a lot of validity to this claim and that restructuring or equalizing this is probably not a bad idea. I do think however that we have to be cautious not to leave women more vulnerable in the process.

Do you think that men more often of the option of just walking away ? I woman probably rarely has that option but typically even if the woman did initiate a man CAN walk away rather than retaliate. It seems opening the door to giving permission to retaliate when it is not necessary is a risk.

Nothing about retaliation... if you are assaulted then you are assaulted. The cops should treat it the same unless it falls into a new category... like aggravated assault.
 
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