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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I hate to tell you, but it is. I've been to feminist meetings. I've met feminists. I've joined feminist groups. Most of the women involved are more concerned with their own twisted double standard than any sort of equal rights. It's a sad truth.

    I'm not a feminist, get over it. Even if modern feminists weren't all caught up in the empowerment nonsense, I still wouldn't be one. I don't support "womens' rights." I don't support "gay rights." I don't support "black rights." I don't support "asian rights." I support individual rights. I support the right of every individual to have equal rights and treatment no matter their race, sexuality, or gender. I feel like focusing on minorities is part of the problem. "Oh we need to cater to the minorities." No, actually, we don't. Being a gay woman, I have grown up being told that society owes me something that I have not gotten. I was told that I will never amount to anything unless I'm a militant a**hole and shove my gender and sexuality down everybody's throats. I believed it for a long time. But eventually I ditched the whole "woe is me, I'm a minority" crap and just went my own way. I realized that, while there are sexists and homophobes out there, if I just leave everyone alone for the most part I don't have any problems.
    I would say that is the fault of people rather than the theory itself. There is the ability to perceive one's group status as deserving more attention than another (and in this case that can go both ways). Some women may feel that it was more systematically damaging to them than men (and there is a large degree of worth to such a statement), just as men may consider that women are getting too much attention. It's more about arguing about how far the pendulum has swung. Is it the fault of feminism that some may dismiss male victims of domestic assault? No. It's the fault of people (whether men or women) for adding that perception.
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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Is it the fault of feminism that some may dismiss male victims of domestic assault? No. It's the fault of people (whether men or women) for adding that perception.
    Try this one - "true communism has never been tried, so it's still a wonderful philosophy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Try this one - "true communism has never been tried, so it's still a wonderful philosophy."
    But this isn't something that can be blamed on feminism. Communism's inadequacies are its own.
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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But this isn't something that can be blamed on feminism. Communism's inadequacies are its own.
    This was the comment which sparked your response:

    I hate to tell you, but it is. I've been to feminist meetings. I've met feminists. I've joined feminist groups. Most of the women involved are more concerned with their own twisted double standard than any sort of equal rights. It's a sad truth.

    We judge ideologies by how they're practiced by adherents, not by theory which is ignored by adherents.

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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This was the comment which sparked your response:

    I hate to tell you, but it is. I've been to feminist meetings. I've met feminists. I've joined feminist groups. Most of the women involved are more concerned with their own twisted double standard than any sort of equal rights. It's a sad truth.

    We judge ideologies by how they're practiced by adherents, not by theory which is ignored by adherents.
    So then why is feminism singled out in regard to perceptions of male victims in domestic violence?
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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I would say that is the fault of people rather than the theory itself. There is the ability to perceive one's group status as deserving more attention than another (and in this case that can go both ways). Some women may feel that it was more systematically damaging to them than men (and there is a large degree of worth to such a statement), just as men may consider that women are getting too much attention. It's more about arguing about how far the pendulum has swung. Is it the fault of feminism that some may dismiss male victims of domestic assault? No. It's the fault of people (whether men or women) for adding that perception.
    A theory is always judged by it's adherents. Think about how liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism, and socialism have changed over the years. As different people joined the ideology, it changed. Liberalism, which was originally a libertarian-type idea, became more corporatist and authoritarian as those types of people started identifying themselves as liberal. Libertarianism was originally a socialist idea, but became what it is today when free market advocates and personal freedom advocates started identifying themselves as such. Same thing happened to feminism.

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    Re: Double Standard?

    Copied from the last thread on this topic:

    The thing that most people fail to grasp is that men and women are not equal, the double standard exists because of the strength discrepancy between men and women. You cannot pretend men and women are equal when it comes to physical violence, the average man is much more capable of defending himself against the average women than vise versa.
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    Re: Double Standard?

    It is a double standard in the same way that people kill cows for food but protect dogs and cats from whatever the owner chooses to do with them.

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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    You can say that the way outsiders view the situation is slanted to be funny when men are abused and to be tragic when women are abused. To be fair, law enforcement officers are not outsiders. They have to analyze the situation and consider the specifics of the case. They don't operate with vague generalities. If the husband is a 350 pound body builder who get's beat up by his 110 pound anorexic girlfriend, I don't think she will be hauled off to jail. He is free to laugh it off as a cute thing. If the wife is a 350 pound muscle lady and beats up on her 110 pound sickly husband then I am sure she is going to jail for domestic assault.

    It's a case by case basis. If we are going to operate in the big picture by using generalities then yes. Logic would dictate that woman on man violence is laughable because most men are stronger and larger than women.

    This really isn't a problem like you are making it out to be.
    So punching someone bigger than you is ok? But if that person then hits back there is an issue? How does that make sense? Assault is assault.
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    Re: Double Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Is there a double standard regarding violence against men, from women?

    Man assaults woman. Bad. And it should be...

    Woman assaults man. Funny. And it shouldn't be...

    Just look at Jerry McGuire. He breaks up with girlfriend and she beats him up. Comedy.

    Cops don't arrest women who assault a man in domestic situations.

    27% of the time the man struck the first blow; in 24% of cases, the woman initiated the violence. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling.

    Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Physical Violence in American Families, 1976 - Murray Arnold Straus, Richard J. Gelles - Google Books
    I'm going to have to say yes overall, and no in some arenas that I probably just have too much exposure to due to the nature of the issues I work on.

    What you state is most certainly the most common reaction I see on a broad-scale social basis, and the combination of shaming men for getting hurt (coming from men usually) or laughing at them for it (often coming from women) conspires to make men extremely unlikely to report, and for this kind of abuse to continue a lot longer than it might otherwise. We still have a machismo culture surrounding men, which makes them wimps if they get attacked, and a weird culture that is both permissive and condesending simultaniously around women, which is that they're too fragile to harm anyone.

    But there's almost an increasingly loud faction, the size of which I don't really know, but it's at least thousands (which, again, I probably just see too much of) that are reactionary to the point where they sort of seem to advocate abuse of women instead. I recall a rant blog by an MRA losing his mind over a picture of a man who had some finger imprints where his wife had gripped his arm during labor. This was deemed, I **** you not, as an "attack," and the solution is that women need more putting in their place.

    The entire culture of how we talk about abuse of men -- both in mainstream culture and in the fringes who react to this problem -- is just diabolically unhealthy. It needs a complete overhaul in order for any useful work to be done.

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