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Thread: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Some immoral things should be illegal. Murder and slavery are good examples.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    The people are the government. This thread is confusing the crap out of me. I think some of the words are being redefined.

    Which government are we talking about? I assumed we were discussing the United States government which is a democratic-republic. With that in mind, Option 1 and Option 2 are identical.

    This is just a bunch of arguing over what word means what and who can scream the loudest to demand that it means something different.

    I don't think this can even be discussed if every participant is free to redefine words at their leisure which prohibits the ability of any of us from making a point at all.
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    all law is base in some form of morals. Rape, murder or assualt are beyond the scope of a simple question of morality. Yes we should act as a group of citizens through our elected representatives to protect one another from these heinous examples of uncivil acts.

    Your quote:
    It is noble for society to decide that we should be a better group of people but sometimes managing the choices of a large group of individuals is similiar to herding cats. The harm done by attempting to enforce the superior moral code is more damaging to society than the vice itself.
    My bottom line is that if the people chose...whether that choice be right, wrong, damaging, or uplifting...the people through their government are the final aribitors of the moral code.


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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    That's not legislation of morality, that's protection of natural rights. Big difference
    From a linguistic perspective, you're contradicting facts.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    From a linguistic perspective, you're contradicting facts.
    Good luck with that.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    From a linguistic perspective, you're contradicting facts.
    No, not really.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Not at all.
    Go look at the bills the GOP has written and passed in the house since they've had control of it, repeal Roe v Wade many, many times. Repeal the ACA many, many times, that's not immoral to you?

    Last time I looked, the GOP is part of the US Government, they legislate!
    You want to stay on topic or should I pull up the Democrat's Jim Crow Laws. The pointt is both parties try to do it at certain points in history. Doesn't make it right.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    No, not really.
    Rights are moral constructs. And supposing that we ought not violate natural rights is a moral stance by definition. If you want to define "morality" in a different way that it's usually taken to mean, fine, but you're just arguing semantics.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think we should stop speaking in parties and speak in ideologies. The same people who today fashion ideas of being like the founding fathers, are also the most likely to be social prudes and private deviants. The same people who don't want to be harsh on men like Bernie Maddoff stealing Trillions want to be tough on Michael by giving him 8 years for stealing a TV. The same guys who want to ban strip clubs have been found in them. With this all in mind, I think, Conservatives try to regulate try to regulate morality far more than Liberals. Liberals however try to regulate activities where people can be hurt. Centrists on a general basis aren't even all that opposed to most things weren't hurt - which morphs into a disregard for law once you get to Libertarians. I'd say from a perspective of activities which don't hurt anyone and can be considered "immoral" - the conservatives are far more likely to regulate them.

    As far it being the job of a government's job to regulate morality, I'd say no. However, it's alright to have some precautions in place. If nothing else, to ensure immoral activities which can hurt people don't happen.
    great point
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    This really isn't a political discussion. This is a lingual discussion. How should the word moral be defined? That is really what we are arguing over.

    We agree on the proper role of government. We strongly disagree on the definition of morality.

    Moral = good Immoral = bad

    The things that are bad for society or good for society are different than the things that are good for the individual or bad for the individual. Individuals should impose stricter moral codes upon one's own self than the moral code that society must impose upon itself. An individual is a lot less complex than a collective group of individuals. The individual and the government are entirely different entities. Their moral codes should be entirely different.

    Yes. The individual should live by a set of morals.

    Yes. The government should live by a set of morals.
    That's way too simplistic. What defines something as "good" vs "bad" ?

    An individual is a lot less complex than a collective group of individuals.
    I would debate that
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up with a discussion with Tigger. Do you guys think it is the job of the government to judge,decide,regulate the morality of the people or that the job of the people and the laws of the government should reflect that?
    I don't see this as a moral issue. It's about behaviors. You can have whatever internal moral code you chose but you can not behave however you chose. Where do we draw the line? When the behaviors you chose cause others harm.
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