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Thread: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    all law is base in some form of morals. Rape, murder or assualt are beyond the scope of a simple question of morality. Yes we should act as a group of citizens through our elected representatives to protect one another from these heinous examples of uncivil acts.

    Should the government tell us how much soda to drink...not so much.
    If society decides it is harmful to society as a whole, then the society as a whole is responsible for making those decisions. Sometimes making society better by upgrading their current code of morality is unenforceable. A good example is prohibition. It is noble for society to decide that we should be a better group of people but sometimes managing the choices of a large group of individuals is similiar to herding cats. The harm done by attempting to enforce the superior moral code is more damaging to society than the vice itself.

    I don't think we should give up on making ourselves a better nation, better state, better county, better city or better community. It should just be done with reason and sound judgement.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Of course. But most people define morality more loosely than I do.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    If society decides it is harmful to society as a whole, then the society as a whole is responsible for making those decisions. Sometimes making society better by upgrading their current code of morality is unenforceable. A good example is prohibition. It is noble for society to decide that we should be a better group of people but sometimes managing the choices of a large group of individuals is similiar to herding cats. The harm done by attempting to enforce the superior moral code is more damaging to society than the vice itself.

    I don't think we should give up on making ourselves a better nation, better state, better county, better city or better community. It should just be done with reason and sound judgement.
    I don't know what a superior moral code is; but in your example the people chose. Whether prohibition stood or if prohibition failed...it was decided by the people. Their moral code, in the end, is the law.

    If you fear that society will not chose wisely the laws it passes...that is not a failure of the supreme law of the land. That is a failure in judgement, and judgement cannot be legislated.


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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Murder being against the law has nothing to do with it being wrong, it has to do with the fact that it infringes on somebody's natural rights.
    It's still a moral claim. Ought statements are moral by definition. "One ought not to X" (in this case X=infringe on somebody's natural rights) is a moral claim. Another way of phrasing that same exact claim is "X is wrong". Colloquially, they are interchangeable.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Government should only prevent acts and behavior that harms others. Being offended or having one's sensibilities vioalated is not harm.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I don't know what a superior moral code is;
    Moral code: Don't steal anything over $200

    Superior moral code: Don't steal anything over $10

    A superior moral code would be a code that is more demanding than the one you would be comparing it to.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Moral code: Don't steal anything over $200

    Superior moral code: Don't steal anything over $10

    A superior moral code would be a code that is more demanding than the one you would be comparing it to.
    In what law book or US code can I find these "superior moral codes"


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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    It is noble for society to decide that we should be a better group of people but sometimes managing the choices of a large group of individuals is similiar to herding cats. The harm done by attempting to enforce the superior moral code is more damaging to society than the vice itself.
    Telling people what they can or can't put in their bodies is neither noble nor moral. That's why prohibition sucks.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    but in your example the people chose.
    The people are the government. This thread is confusing the crap out of me. I think some of the words are being redefined.

    Which government are we talking about? I assumed we were discussing the United States government which is a democratic-republic. With that in mind, Option 1 and Option 2 are identical.

    This is just a bunch of arguing over what word means what and who can scream the loudest to demand that it means something different.

    I don't think this can even be discussed if every participant is free to redefine words at their leisure which prohibits the ability of any of us from making a point at all.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    In what law book or US code can I find these "superior moral codes"
    I guess you could compare one state law to an other state's law. You could pretty much compare any two laws that are in relationship to another law regarding the same topic.

    I don't mean superior as in better. I meant superior as in dominant. If a law demands more it is more overreaching than a law that demands less.

    You are offended at my use of the word 'moral' and the use of the word 'superior'. This thread is really useless since these words are being interchanged frequently from one poster to the next.

    I think I am wasting my time in this thread that will yield 0 changed minds. There is too much confusion on what is being said and what is not being said. That could have been the intention of the OP. I'm not sure.

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