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Thread: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    No, it is not the government's job to force morality. If no one is doing me harm, I have no right to use coercion and violence against them. Just because I disagree with them, or find their actions weird, does not give me the right to throw them in a cage or hire someone else (the government) to do it for me.
    But don't you think the government should force morality on the people who do want to cause you harm in the form of violence? Shouldn't the government at least enforce morals that protects people from physical violence or theft?

    They can still enforce those morals and allow people to have sex with pigs at the same time. But is the pig hurt during the sex? Does the pig's constitutional rights apply?

    I disagree. The government should protect me from immoral actions by enforcing morals.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    But don't you think the government should force morality on the people who do want to cause you harm in the form of violence? Shouldn't the government at least enforce morals that protects people from physical violence or theft?
    Please read what I wrote again. I addressed that.

    They can still enforce those morals and allow people to have sex with pigs at the same time. But is the pig hurt during the sex? Does the pig's constitutional rights apply?
    Beastiality, as nasty as it is, should not be legislated. Some weirdo going out and having sex with a pig does not hurt me or anybody else. You could argue that it "hurts" the pig, but in order for this to be a valid justification you'd have to be consistent and also ban slaughtering pigs.

    Victimless crimes should not be legislated. When you use violence and coercion against peaceful acting people, you're the criminal.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Victimless crimes should not be legislated.
    Fair enough.

    What about victimful crimes? Shouldn't the government protect me from these immoral acts such as rape, murder or assault? These are morals that should be legislated.

    That's why I voted yes. The only purpose of government is to enforce morality. That's the only reason that government exists.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Fair enough.

    What about victimful crimes? Shouldn't the government protect me from these immoral acts such as rape, murder or assault? These are morals that should be legislated.

    That's why I voted yes. The only purpose of government is to enforce morality. That's the only reason that government exists.
    That's not legislation of morality, that's protection of natural rights. Big difference

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The GOP is only party the trys to regulate Morality? Also the thread is about the government in general not about political parties, nice try at derailing the tread.
    You are right. Since Republicans have proven unfit to govern they are not to be discussed when talking about "government".

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    That's not legislation of morality, that's protection of natural rights. Big difference
    Shouldn't they enforce a code of morality that advocates the protection of natural rights? or should the government just exist for the sake of existing? With no purpose or function?

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Shouldn't they enforce a code of morality that advocates the protection of natural rights? or should the government just exist for the sake of existing?
    It's not about morality, it's about protection of individuals. Murder being against the law has nothing to do with it being wrong, it has to do with the fact that it infringes on somebody's natural rights.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    That's not legislation of morality, that's protection of natural rights. Big difference
    This really isn't a political discussion. This is a lingual discussion. How should the word moral be defined? That is really what we are arguing over.

    We agree on the proper role of government. We strongly disagree on the definition of morality.

    Moral = good Immoral = bad

    The things that are bad for society or good for society are different than the things that are good for the individual or bad for the individual. Individuals should impose stricter moral codes upon one's own self than the moral code that society must impose upon itself. An individual is a lot less complex than a collective group of individuals. The individual and the government are entirely different entities. Their moral codes should be entirely different.

    Yes. The individual should live by a set of morals.

    Yes. The government should live by a set of morals.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Fair enough.

    What about victimful crimes? Shouldn't the government protect me from these immoral acts such as rape, murder or assault? These are morals that should be legislated.

    That's why I voted yes. The only purpose of government is to enforce morality. That's the only reason that government exists.
    all law is base in some form of morals. Rape, murder or assualt are beyond the scope of a simple question of morality. Yes we should act as a group of citizens through our elected representatives to protect one another from these heinous examples of uncivil acts.

    Should the government tell us how much soda to drink...not so much.


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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are right. Since Republicans have proven unfit to govern they are not to be discussed when talking about "government".
    It is what it is. Reality should never be ignored no matter how unpleasant it might be. We have to work with what we have. The alternative is not to work at all.

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