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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes it is adultery. They are not in a committed relationship with those women, therefore the sexual act in and of itself is a Moral Crime. As I said to Kal, there was an assumption of Monogamy in my original comment. That was probably a poor assumption on my part considering the lack of morals in this age, but that's my mistake.
    Monogamy is actually a recent invention. Indeed Moses had two wives, and Solomon had lots more. I'm sure that if I looked I could find many more people that are mentioned in the bible has having polygamous relationships. And it being A OK to do by the Christian religion.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet it is a part of the culture that you are associated with. Christians have allowed surrogacy for centuries, even while married.
    I'm not a Christian, Kal. I thought I'd made that incredibly clear over time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And monogamy has nothing to do with reproduction. Monogamy is about marriage. Something that is independent of reproduction. Which was your requirement for homosexuals being banned...because they couldn't reproduce naturally. When shown that they can indeed reproduce naturally you started throwing other obstacles against them. Obstacles which have nothing to do with reproduction. Which shows that your statement that they should be banned and not allowed rights by the government because they can't reproduce is a false statement. Simply admit that your ban has nothing to do with reproduction but has everything to do with your own style of morality that is no doubt based on your interpretation of a book written by men dead thousands of years ago.
    My values are not based on the Bible. They're based on basic human instinct necessary for the species to survive. I have clearly stated over time that I do not believe sex is appropriate in any context other than in a committed relationship/marriage. Therefore the idea of surrogacy is incompatible with basic sexual morality so far as I'm concerned. It always has been. A same-sex couple would need to find a way to engage in direct sexual relations between themselves and somehow create the pregnancy for it to be "natural" in my mind. For the men that's impossible as neither has a womb. For the women it's impossible because neither has the means to provide sperm to inseminate the other partner.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Now you're just desperately grasping at straws. A gay man can be committed to his straight wife, to his family, and his marriage
    Responding to the numerous immoralities in that comment would likely get me permanently banned from this site, so I'm not going to bother.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Monogamy is actually a recent invention. Indeed Moses had two wives, and Solomon had lots more. I'm sure that if I looked I could find many more people that are mentioned in the bible has having polygamous relationships. And it being A OK to do by the Christian religion.
    Again, you make the mistake of arguing against Christianity with someone who has absolutely no use for Christianity.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm a woman. I have rights, and lots of them. I don't belong to anyone - and I can assure you, my husband wouldn't consider me his property either.
    Then with all due respect, there is no way that I could engage in any form of social interaction with you or your husband in real life.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Responding to the numerous immoralities in that comment would likely get me permanently banned from this site, so I'm not going to bother.
    I can see right through you, Tigger.

    For all your blather about your moral code, the truth is you lack the moral fiber to admit that you've been stymied.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    There are certain morals, ones I tend to refer to as "universal morals", that are indeed within the government purview to enforce, as they also coincide with violations of rights and freedoms. Murder is a prime example as is theft. But overall these types of morals are few and far between. Most morals are subjective and as such are not in the purview of the government to regulate, especially in a government that has as a baseline tenant religious freedom. Mind you not all morals are religiously based, or not in everyone. For those morals that are not "universal", then it is purely upon the people to enforce that moral through legal means, and not have them enacted into law.

    For example, the basic religious moral of not working on the sabbath. There should never be a law that prevents a business from being open on a certain day of the week. If all but one person in a community holds to that particular moral instead of using the law to force the one person to be closed on their sabbath, they simply do not frequent that business, either on the sabbath in question or at all, making known to the business owner why they are doing so. This is the proper way to enforce morals that are not "universal"
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    For all your blather about your moral code, the truth is you lack the moral fiber to admit that you've been stymied.
    Not at all. Adulterers deserve the same punishment as homosexuals.... DEATH.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm not a Christian, Kal. I thought I'd made that incredibly clear over time.
    I don't pay attention to most of your posts so probably missed it. Though from the ones that I have seen they reflect the extreme side of the Christian religion. My assumption, my bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    My values are not based on the Bible. They're based on basic human instinct necessary for the species to survive. I have clearly stated over time that I do not believe sex is appropriate in any context other than in a committed relationship/marriage. Therefore the idea of surrogacy is incompatible with basic sexual morality so far as I'm concerned. It always has been. A same-sex couple would need to find a way to engage in direct sexual relations between themselves and somehow create the pregnancy for it to be "natural" in my mind. For the men that's impossible as neither has a womb. For the women it's impossible because neither has the means to provide sperm to inseminate the other partner.
    If they were based on the basic human instinct necessary for the species to survive then you should be all for surrogacy and polygamy as they both offer the best chance at our species survival. Both allow the man to reproduce far more times than he can do with just one person who may be infertile. Indeed there have been many studies that have shown that men are polygamous in nature.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then with all due respect, there is no way that I could engage in any form of social interaction with you or your husband in real life.
    That's okay, Tigger. We don't have any friends who view me as my husband's property anyway. We live in America where that sort of thinking isn't the norm.

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