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Thread: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Adultery only applies in marriage. Besides, that is not the criteria that you laid out. Not only that it has been an accepted form of having a child even when married since at least the Babalonia era.
    I assumed (my fault) that monogamy was a given in the discussion. Apparently I shouldn't have. Adultery is a potential in ANY committed relationship so far as I'm concerned.

    Surrogacy may have been an accepted means to procreate over the years in other cultures, but it most definitely is not in any that I am associated with.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    As I just mentioned to Kal, that's called ADULTERY where I come from.
    Really?

    Two people of the opposite sex engaged in marital sex is adultery?

    Since when?
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Really? Two people of the opposite sex engaged in marital sex is adultery? Since when?
    When they are not married to each other or in a committed relationship with each other. We're talking about a homosexual couple, therefore there are no "two people of the opposite sex" to discuss anywhere in this. Engaging in any form of sexual activity with anyone other than your committed partner/husband/wife is Adultery. It's that simple. Therefore, a homosexual couple CANNOT, by definition, have a natural child.... their sexual organs don't allow for it.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    When they are not married to each other or in a committed relationship with each other. We're talking about a homosexual couple, therefore there are no "two people of the opposite sex" to discuss anywhere in this. Engaging in any form of sexual activity with anyone other than your committed partner/husband/wife is Adultery. It's that simple. Therefore, a homosexual couple CANNOT, by definition, have a natural child.... their sexual organs don't allow for it.
    You seem to have forgotten what you originally asked, so I'll repeat your own words that you have abandoned

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    2. I passed Biology in High School and I don't seem to remember any description of a NATURAL means for either two men or two women to reproduce. Did I miss something?
    Two homosexual men can have children by having sex with the women who are their wives. That's not adultery
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I know you are a woman and it's still insulting that you *think* women dont "understand what they are doing" when they have an abortion. And did you not imply that there was some responsibility involved that she was avoiding...by not being probed apparently, as that was the example.

    I appreciate that you are pro-choice, and even more so because by your words, you disagree with choosing abortion, but still support the right to choose, but not recognizing that these belittling, painful (physically and emotionally), and obstructionist tactics (probes, pictures, moving facilities far from people, etc) are all completely disrespectful of women....if the law says she can have an abortion before 21 weeks, then leave her alone and stop putting up roadblocks.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I assumed (my fault) that monogamy was a given in the discussion. Apparently I shouldn't have. It may have been an accepted means to procreate over the years in other cultures, but it most definitely is not in any that I am associated with.
    And yet it is a part of the culture that you are associated with. Christians have allowed surrogacy for centuries, even while married.

    And monogamy has nothing to do with reproduction. Monogamy is about marriage. Something that is independent of reproduction. Which was your requirement for homosexuals being banned...because they couldn't reproduce naturally. When shown that they can indeed reproduce naturally you started throwing other obstacles against them. Obstacles which have nothing to do with reproduction. Which shows that your statement that they should be banned and not allowed rights by the government because they can't reproduce is a false statement. Simply admit that your ban has nothing to do with reproduction but has everything to do with your own style of morality that is no doubt based on your interpretation of a book written by men dead thousands of years ago.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Two homosexual men can have children by having sex with the women who are their wives. That's not adultery
    Yes it is adultery. They are not in a committed relationship with those women, therefore the sexual act in and of itself is a Moral Crime. As I said to Kal, there was an assumption of Monogamy in my original comment. That was probably a poor assumption on my part considering the lack of morals in this age, but that's my mistake.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Women don't have rights. They belong to the dominant Male (father, brother, husband, etc....) in their family.
    I'm a woman. I have rights, and lots of them. I don't belong to anyone - and I can assure you, my husband wouldn't consider me his property either.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up with a discussion with Tigger. Do you guys think it is the job of the government to judge,decide,regulate the morality of the people or that the job of the people and the laws of the government should reflect that?
    To a certain extent laws are based on morality. Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, etc. But I think morality can be subjective when it come to a lot of the rest. What is moral to some can be determined to be immoral to others. This can be based on religion, what religion the individual is or if they do not belong to any religion. It can be based on customs, traditions, background, point of origin and how someone was brought up. Then society as a whole also has a say in what is and is not moral. Morals also can change over the years.

    For the most part, I believe government should stay out of enforcing morals, that is unless we are talking major ones like murder and robbery. I think how one leads or lives their own life is up to them, that is as long as they are not doing any harm to others. Only when harm befalls others, should the government step in and regulate, pass laws etc. Quite simple.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes it is adultery. They are not in a committed relationship with those women
    Now you're just desperately grasping at straws. A gay man can be committed to his straight wife, to his family, and his marriage

    After all, it's not like marriage is about love, right?
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