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Thread: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The OP doesn't mention abortion.
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    You know, I'm not going to go there with you, or anyone else in this thread. I was already warned by a mod. Leave it alone.
    What the heck? Abortion? Where did that come from?

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Charitable giving may be morally right
    That makes no sense at all. This implies that not giving charitably is morally wrong. That is goofy as all get out.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up with a discussion with Tigger. Do you guys think it is the job of the government to judge,decide,regulate the morality of the people or that the job of the people and the laws of the government should reflect that?
    Of course. It is the role of government to provide the greatest good to the greatest numbers for the longest period of time, while respecting the civil rights and property rights of all. So, if a well educated citizenry is good in meeting this goal it should be encouraged. If thrift, savings, capital investment, etc. is good in meeting this goal these should be encourage through tax codes and other means. If single parent families and more children then the parent can support is good to meet this goal, than this should be encouraged. If drug use is helpful in meeting this goal, than it should be encouraged.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This came up with a discussion with Tigger. Do you guys think it is the job of the government to judge,decide,regulate the morality of the people or that the job of the people and the laws of the government should reflect that?
    I voted other


    THe government shouldnt have ANYTHING to do with morals as far as enforcement, now some morals of some people may happen to match up wit laws and rights but thats all that is

    as for people, this is also a big fat no. Peoples morals are for them. AGain yes some of the peoples morals match and some of those are reflected in government but again thats all it is, coincidence.

    The reason why morals (in a absolutle sense) should never be enforced by goverment nor should people put it into government is because moral are subjective and the would negate the point of freedom.


    The first question would be whos morals?
    why theirs? why not yours or mine?
    If it is ours, why?
    What about all the people with different morals?

    etc etc etc.


    Now dont get me wrong, morals are gonna have an impact and they are gonna play a role but thats not the mind set that should be used.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    That makes no sense at all. This implies that not giving charitably is morally wrong. That is goofy as all get out.
    That may be true but that is the basis for the "safety net" (income redistribution) programs.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There needs to be a legal basis for that....not a moral one. And there isnt any legal way to practically give personhood to fetuses ONLY for the sake of preventing abortion and then just ignoring that designation elsewhere as convenient.
    At the same time, a fetus shouldn't be given personhood when it dies as a result of actions from someone other than the mother. Scott Peterson was convicted of killing his unborn son.

    Either a fetus is a person in all cases, or it's a person in no cases.

    Our justice system can't even decide.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Good example, that's not actually how 'rights' work. You dont need to 'qualify' for a right. You also dont have to be responsible. No one is taking away your right to vote for being irresponsible. You dont lose rights often and you generally have to be convicted of a felony.

    That is anti-abortion legislation that, like 'listening to fetal heartbeat,' or look at fetal stage pictures, qualifies as treating women like 5 yr olds and in order to punish them for an already difficult decision. It's 100% disrespectful to women and you dont even realize it because you choose to judge them and agree to that punishment. "They deserved it for being irresponsible." PRetty much your words.

    (btw, you ARE still subject to the probes to 'prove' you were raped. How appalling.)
    The language in the WI law says otherwise, Lursa. And a vaginal probe can't prove rape anyway.

    I'm a woman, by the way, and your post doesn't appear to recognize that. I'm not judging anyone. I said I support a woman's choice to abort her fetus if she choses. I also think if she choses to do so, she should understand what she's doing. And I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I not only never said, I never even implied "They deserved it for being irresponsible." You are usually a very fair poster. That was rude and out of line.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Could you provide an example of one of those secular, temporal moral, and legal ethics you refer to. Also, only federal morals should be enforced or do you include state and local laws as well?
    They all are, but our supreme law of the land affects us as citizens in the several States of our republic. What is not covered in our Ten Amendments?

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No, absolutely not, please tell your GOP representative to get the f*ck out of America's bedrooms and out of women's lives.
    I do, maybe you will tell your Dem congress critter to stay out of our gun cabinets and to quit telling us who to spend our money



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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    I think law is fundamentally underpinned by rooting out immorality especially where the subject has almost universal agreement. Good examples are those wrongdoings that we see in ancient texts and still have today (e.g. against murder, theft, fraud, etc.). I think there are some moral discussions that people need to debate and deal with at their local levels but which do not belong in national governments. A good example is charity. Charity (helping the needy) is universally considered "good," but that doesn't mean it belongs in federal law.

    In short, I would say government's job is to enforce laws, and laws should be focused on regulating immoral behavior (e.g. harm) rather than forcing morally good behavior (e.g. helping the needy).
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