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Thread: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    While I agree with the highlighted portion, I do so in a different way.... The Government should not be protecting people from the consequences of their own mistakes. The Government SHOULD be protecting Society from the consequences of those mistakes, by doing everything possible to ensure that the people making those mistakes never have the opportunity to do so again.
    So then there should be no laws regulating the behavior of or discriminating against homosexuals, correct?

    If you are going to claim any harm they have done to themselves or society, you'll have to source it.

    Same with prostitution.

    There is no harm done to society by victimless crimes by definition **except where certain segments of society DESIGNATE them wrong/immoral and THAT causes the damage. **
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    This thread should never have been started here. I motion it be moved to the abortion debate forum.
    The OP doesn't mention abortion.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The OP doesn't mention abortion.
    You know, I'm not going to go there with you, or anyone else in this thread. I was already warned by a mod. Leave it alone.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    By passing RvW (and later by the SCOTUS), they DID regulate morality.
    Before RvW, other people's morality was forced on women....so they really protected women from the morals of (select) others. Certainly not all people hold the beliefs that imposed that force on women.

    More like de-regulation sort of.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yeah, until they make a law that states a fetus is a person, oh, wait...
    There needs to be a legal basis for that....not a moral one. And there isnt any legal way to practically give personhood to fetuses ONLY for the sake of preventing abortion and then just ignoring that designation elsewhere as convenient.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Our laws should be a reflection of our moral fiber not the whims of those who wish to do what is convenient.
    There would be great disagreement on whose moral fiber.

    Would you want Tigger's moral fiber to be reflective of our laws and society?

    He endorses govt-authorized slavery and even execution for violators of his laws...including many of those based on personal liberty and the pursuit of happiness. (I am not exaggerating, he's posted this).
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's an abortion law, not a rape law.

    I don't oppose a woman's choice to have an abortion. I also don't oppose making her hear the fetus heartbeat before she does it. With the right comes a responsibility. Take it or leave it.

    By the way, the WI bill contains this language:

    This bill requires, except in a medical emergency and except in the situation
    where the pregnancy is the result of sexual assault or incest, that before a person may

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    perform or induce an abortion the physician who is to perform or induce the abortion
    or any physician requested by the pregnant woman must do all of the following:


    So no, if you're pregnant because of a rape, you aren't subjected to the probe.

    Good example, that's not actually how 'rights' work. You dont need to 'qualify' for a right. You also dont have to be responsible. No one is taking away your right to vote for being irresponsible. You dont lose rights often and you generally have to be convicted of a felony.

    That is anti-abortion legislation that, like 'listening to fetal heartbeat,' or look at fetal stage pictures, qualifies as treating women like 5 yr olds and in order to punish them for an already difficult decision. It's 100% disrespectful to women and you dont even realize it because you choose to judge them and agree to that punishment. "They deserved it for being irresponsible." PRetty much your words.

    (btw, you ARE still subject to the probes to 'prove' you were raped. How appalling.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How does one then justify forced income redistribution? Charitable giving may be morally right but certainly does not protect people from other people so there is no justification for doing so by gov't force.
    I was speaking purely in the physical sense, re: rape, murder, etc. like vasuda was talking about. Had nothing to do with anything else.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The OP doesn't mention abortion.
    Well it came up rather organically.

    If I broke the rules I didnt mean to but I posted as I went and didnt see the mod warning until after.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The most basic of lines...the starting point...is where someone infringes on the right of someone else. Those main rights are immediately available in a govt document (yes, govt)...the Bill of Rights.
    I agree. It is the most basic code of morality.

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