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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Ultimately, all morality comes from the people anyhow, but then the people are supposed to vote in elected officials that represent the will of the people so the government ought to eventually come to pass laws that represent the morality of the people. Unfortunately, our system is so horribly broken that it doesn't work that way anymore.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Morality is subjective. Therefore only individuals can manage their own set of morals. Collective management of morals ranges between not enough and too much management to the point of either way individual liberties are sacrificed. Laws exist as public order not a management of morality.

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Go look at the bills the GOP has written and passed in the house since they've had control of it, repeal Roe v Wade many, many times. Repeal the ACA many, many times, that's not immoral to you?

    Last time I looked, the GOP is part of the US Government, they legislate!
    Actually, lots of people think the ACA is immoral and the GOP is a political party, they are not part of the government, only the elected officials that come from their ranks are part of the government. Try again.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never had the government tell me what I can do in my bedroom. I keep my bedroom affairs and my bedroom preferences private. You don't?
    If you're a female, living in my state, and if you are raped, become pregnant from the rape, Wisconsin will invade your vagina with a probe, to see if you "qualify" for an abortion. Wisconsin doesn't call it a vaginal probe though, they've reworded the law to make it sound like something pleasant.

    This is government meddling in a woman's right to choose, and the law was written by the conservative (republican held) legislature. So, this is basically telling women what they can and cannot do with their own body.

    This could be construed as both immoral and illegal, but when a majority of right wing people rule the roost, this is what happens.

    Busted: Republicans

    You may have heard defenders of Republicans, who are claiming the right to rape women with the authority of the state via their many ultrasound laws currently sweeping the nation via the state level, explain that some of these laws do not mandate a vaginal probe, and therefore are not rape.

    After all, it would be politically costly, even for rape-denying Republicans, to not only legalize rape, but to mandate it. They found this out when they tried to mandate vaginal ultrasounds in Virginia.

    You see, rape is defined by the Justice Department and FBI (for reporting/statistical purposes – note that state by state definitions of rape vary) as, “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, lots of people think the ACA is immoral and the GOP is a political party, they are not part of the government, only the elected officials that come from their ranks are part of the government. Try again.
    I contend the GOP is part of the political agenda in DC, the moral right wing, just as conservatives lump the democrats with liberals. Both have political and moral agendas. The conservative agenda or GOP agenda is the worst of the two. Conservatives label liberals as being immoral.

    Conservative Christians are a group to fear IMHO. I don't need to go into detail how they have gathered at abortion clinics and have killed to prevent what they claim are moral sins.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Pretty good but I would change "interpersonal relations" to "social relations"
    I'm amazed that anyone read it. Basically that "the rule of law" is a more simple set of social rules we agree to adhere to for civilization purposes. Whereas, moral values are personal ethics that guide us beyond the basic laws of society. We accept that we're ultimately self governed by free will and personal choices, not physically forced to live a particular way by majority or government.


    Social relations - normatively defined relationship and the expected pattern of interaction between two or more people, resulting from possession of the roles and social positions, subject to social control.

    Interpersonal relations - is a strong, deep, or close association/acquaintance between two or more people that may range in duration from brief to enduring. This association may be based on inference, love, solidarity, regular business interactions, or some other type of social commitment.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I'm amazed that anyone read it. Basically that "the rule of law" is a more simple set of social rules we agree to adhere to for civilization purposes. Whereas, moral values are personal ethics that guide us beyond the basic laws of society. We accept that we're ultimately self governed by free will and personal choices, not physically forced to live a particular way by majority or government.
    The bolded is something often forgotten by many on the internet. Particularly by the libertarians even though that very idea was endorsed by all of the notable libertarian philosphers I'm familiar with.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The bolded is something often forgotten by many on the internet. Particularly by the libertarians even though that very idea was endorsed by all of the notable libertarian philosphers I'm familiar with.
    They want free markets, capitalism or corporate winners to be the ultimate deciding forces, as far as I can tell. They somehow think that's the equivalent to "the people ruling", instead of the government or elitist political leaders. That's just a form of plutocracy, where those who have the most money make the rules, which is actually what's already happening.
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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    They want free markets, capitalism or corporate winners to be the ultimate deciding forces, as far as I can tell. They somehow think that's the equivalent to "the people ruling", instead of the government or elitist political leaders. That's just a form of plutocracy, where those who have the most money make the rules, which is actually what's already happening.
    Because corporation cater to the lowest common denominator, and they identify with that
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is it the government's job to regulate Morality

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    If you're a female, living in my state, and if you are raped, become pregnant from the rape, Wisconsin will invade your vagina with a probe, to see if you "qualify" for an abortion. Wisconsin doesn't call it a vaginal probe though, they've reworded the law to make it sound like something pleasant.

    This is government meddling in a woman's right to choose, and the law was written by the conservative (republican held) legislature. So, this is basically telling women what they can and cannot do with their own body.

    This could be construed as both immoral and illegal, but when a majority of right wing people rule the roost, this is what happens.

    Busted: Republicans
    That's an abortion law, not a rape law.

    I don't oppose a woman's choice to have an abortion. I also don't oppose making her hear the fetus heartbeat before she does it. With the right comes a responsibility. Take it or leave it.

    By the way, the WI bill contains this language:

    This bill requires, except in a medical emergency and except in the situation
    where the pregnancy is the result of sexual assault or incest, that before a person may

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    perform or induce an abortion the physician who is to perform or induce the abortion
    or any physician requested by the pregnant woman must do all of the following:


    So no, if you're pregnant because of a rape, you aren't subjected to the probe.

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