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  • Yes, a politician's personal life reveals important things about their ability to lead

    13 33.33%
  • Yes, but it should only be weighed as one of many factors

    18 46.15%
  • It depends entirely on the individual transgression

    15 38.46%
  • No, those things might say something about the man, but not necessarily how effective he is.

    7 17.95%
  • No, what matters are results

    4 10.26%
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Thread: Should Personal Lives Matter?

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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It depends. If someone is against doing something and then does it themselves, yes it should matter.

    For instance if a politicians is caught cheating on their spouse I think that normally is just between them and their spouse, however, if the politicians rallies and spouts against cheating on spouses and then does it themselves they should be held accountable.
    Hypocrisy is revealed! Who wants that in a leader? Walk your talk.

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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    No, what someone does on their own time is no one else's business (except the police if it was illegal).

    If a politician is married and publicly visits brothel's and professes to have sex with table lamps...I really don't much care in so far as voting for him/her.

    I don't much care what my lawyer, accountant or doctor does in their spare time..the same goes for someone I might vote for.

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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You realize, of course, why clichés become clichés.
    Because they are easy to repeat and get horribly over-used?

    Not really sure why you're suggesting that my opinion is an emotional response. Because I am a woman? In any event, I've said nothing that remotely suggests this.
    Actually, it hadn't ever really occurred to me to look to see whether you admitted your gender. You obviously aren't very familiar with my worldview if you think that's how my mind would work.

    You either have a virtuous character, or you don't. And where do you learn virtue and live it? Think for just a moment...at home.
    I totally disagree. The world is not divided between the virtuous and the wicked. There's no such thing as a saint and it would be a very hubristic claim that you are so perfect that you can sit in judgement on, and dismiss entirely, anyone who's ever made a big mistake.
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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by phildozer9121 View Post
    I was listening to NPR today at work and an interview came on that I thought was very interesting.

    Here's what's going on:


    The gist of it is, this guy, Narendra Modi, is running for prime minister in India with the persuasive platform that because he is living the bachelor life, he will have more time and ability to devote himself to the job. It turns out he actually still has a wife, although he contends that the marriage was loveless and purely a business relationship, which based on the limited evidence presented, seems reasonably likely to be true. What really got me thinking was when the interviewer was speaking with a supporter of Modi, and asking her about how this recent revelation might affect his chances or anyone's opinion of him.

    I can't find the transcript of the interview, but basically she was saying, 'why would his personal life matter when we have so many other problems at hand?' The interviewer countered with something like, 'well, shouldn't it matter?'

    And that's the question, should it matter?

    It seems to me that when these politicians get busted in the US, your anthony weiners, your john edwardssss, your kissing congressmen etc. they aren't kicked out because they're bad politicians (partisan feelings aside) but simply because of a misstep in their personal lives. I'd also point out that there are probably plenty of politicians, good and bad, that probably did these things and got away with it. Look at Thomas Jefferson and all his slave babies.
    And, I think with the advent of social media these kinds of things will only become more prevalent when the younger people start getting into office and the things they put on facebook/twitter/DP fourms ten years ago will come back to haunt them.

    Bill Clinton was president during one of the most prosperous times in US history, and he was almost removed from office for getting a BJ. The current president of France, Francois Hollande is in the middle of some serious soap opera business right now as well, yet few french consider that something revealing about his effectiveness. Do Americans put too much stock into it, assuming that it is some non-criminal aspect of their personal lives?
    There is a fine line we walk here between self-righteous judgment and practical judgment.

    There has been no perfect man other than Jesus--and many don't believe in him--who has ever walked the Earth. For the Christians, the Bible is full of flawed and sinful individuals that God raised up to be leaders who accomplished great things. And the stories tell us that many/most of these continued to be flawed and sinful individuals in their appointed and exalted roles, but they were nevertheless effective. But they also all knew they were flawed and sinful people, accepted their reduction in status when necessary, and were repentant of their sins.

    Now fast forward to secular times where humans are no longer required to look to God or any other other deities to lift up and approve their leaders. The duty is now left to us to evaluate a person's suitability and fitness for high office. But is there any man or woman who exists who has been perfect? Any whose personal history is above reproach in every respect? And can we expect those we put in high office to be paragons of virtue at all time? To never err? Never sin? Never get it wrong? Never be weak in any respect?

    Is a person sorry for his sins? Admits them, asks for forgiveness, and then does his damndest to not repeat them? Who doesn't pretend that it is okay and should be ignored? Such people I can trust far more than the smug types who won't admit their error, who flaunt their 'sins', and who shrug off valid criticism and consider themselves too important to be held accountable.

    We as a people should demand much from our elected leaders. We should expect them to have honor, integrity, and to be a good example and role model for all who look up to them. We can forgive them a moment of weakness or an error in judgment when they regret such things. We should, however, demand that they deserve the opportunity they are given to serve.
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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Because they are easy to repeat and get horribly over-used?

    Actually, it hadn't ever really occurred to me to look to see whether you admitted your gender. You obviously aren't very familiar with my worldview if you think that's how my mind would work.


    I totally disagree. The world is not divided between the virtuous and the wicked. There's no such thing as a saint and it would be a very hubristic claim that you are so perfect that you can sit in judgement on, and dismiss entirely, anyone who's ever made a big mistake.
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    I will have to disagree with you about saints, who, after all, were very human beings, most of them.

    You are misinterpreting, however, what I have actually said. Not intentionally, I hope. I did distinguish between the habitual and the slips and falls of which most of us are guilty.

    I guess you missed that.

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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Americans have weird hangups about sex. That's why sex scandals captivate our attention so much. They don't matter at all. Nobody has ever suggested that JFK was a worse president because of his sexual escapades. Nobody has ever suggested that Thomas Jefferson was a worse president because of his tendency to rape his slaves. Nobody has eve suggested that George Washington was a worse president for his numerous infidelities.

    It's clear that our elected officials' sexual proclivities have nothing to do with their ability to govern, and using that as a yardstick to judge anyone is going to lead us to make bad decisions. We need to get over our scandalous love affair with... well... scandalous love affairs.
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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    The only difference between today and 40/50 years ago is that you now have no integrity or decency in journalism, you just have various levels/depths of gutter tabloid journalism. People are foolish if they think that politicians only suddenly in the last couple of decades discovered sex, gay sex, drugs, booze, gambling, etc. Same goes for movie stars, sports "heroes", and anyone else in the public eye. There was a time when "news" actually meant something that affected people in some way - now "news" is basically reality TV at its meanest level.
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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Americans have weird hangups about sex. That's why sex scandals captivate our attention so much. They don't matter at all. Nobody has ever suggested that JFK was a worse president because of his sexual escapades. Nobody has ever suggested that Thomas Jefferson was a worse president because of his tendency to rape his slaves. Nobody has eve suggested that George Washington was a worse president for his numerous infidelities.

    It's clear that our elected officials' sexual proclivities have nothing to do with their ability to govern, and using that as a yardstick to judge anyone is going to lead us to make bad decisions. We need to get over our scandalous love affair with... well... scandalous love affairs.
    Oh for heaven's sake. JFK's infidelities are legendary for sure, but such are the substance of sensationalism in unauthorized biographies and there was zero concrete evidence presented and they certainly were not flaunted during his tenure of office and made a public spectacle. Do I believe he committed them? Probably just because of some less sensationalized admissions and the general history of the whole Kennedy clan is not one of exemplary behavior in that regard, but neither did anybody presume to suggest that it was okay.

    As for Jefferson and Washington, there is some historical evidence that Jefferson was in love with one of his slaves and as such it was a consensual relationship rather than rape as you put it. No evidence whatsoever that he engaged in rape. And there is zero evidence of any Washington affairs. Nor was there ever any suggestions that such was okay and just overlooked as unimportant by the people of those times. Nonsense about this stuff is put out and sensationalized and elaborated and exaggerated to ridiculous heights on leftwing blogs by people who want to destroy and bury the heritage of this country so that society can be reformed into what they want it to be.
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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Would you hire a babysitter known for child molestation?
    Would you hire a cashier known for stealing money?
    Would you hire a roofer known for bailing on the job before it was finished?

    What a person does in their personal life is the de facto #1 qualifying/disqualifying measurement in terms of hiring. It's that way because people bring their personal life to work because work and life is inseparable. I do not understand if that's not a requirement voting aged people use when considering an elected official.
    Ah, but those things are job-performance related, and should be considered by anybody responsible for hiring. That's not your personal life.


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    Re: Should Personal Lives Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, but those things are job-performance related, and should be considered by anybody responsible for hiring. That's not your personal life.
    That is a valid point. But in the case of those elected to high office or who hold other prestigious offices/titles, they are in a unique position of having great power and influence over others. The politician or CEO who has an illicit liaison that was possible or solicited because of his power and influence is not exactly operating purely within the parameters of his private personal life. And such can be validly used as a test of character that should be included in evaluating that person's suitability for their position. Those who conduct their personal lives honorably will almost always conduct their public lives honorably. And vice versa.
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