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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    As to the original neocon movement,however, one objective was to liberalize the middle east among other things,and even if this was a display of complete hubris, a more liberal middle east WOULD help deliver peace.
    Except they really didn't care about 'free' ME nations. They wanted ME nations that played ball.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post

    So the question should really be who is the greater threat?
    The one with the greatest power.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, I just say it because most people don't know what a neoconservative is, including when they use the term. Most people think a neoconservative is simply the most egregious example of a Scoop Jackson Democrat hawk. That's not really the case, however.

    I'm more in the vein of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Nathan Glazer, and parts of James Q. Wilson.

    The problem with taking the intellectual approach is that it hardy ever translates into actuality.

    Unless you're ascribing yourself as a disciple, taking on the totality of their thought, this doesn't tell me much.

    I mean, my influences range from Belloc to Burke, from Proudhon to Peter, Paul, and Pat... (Brimelow, Gottfried, Buchanan) from Marx to Maritain..and many more...
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The one with the greatest power.
    So obviously not neo cons.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I was not thrashing Obama in that post.Republicans and conservatives in general view democrats as total pussies when it comes to military.So why would they want a democrat running another war?
    I don't give a damn what RepubLies and conservatives think, especially when Rand Paul calls Cheney out for what he did, start a war for Haliburton profits. When you call DEMs pussies, our blood must be blue. Last decade was about murdering torturing traitors, staining the name of the USA .
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    How much did W2 cost after not leaving troops in Germany after the first go around?


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't support keeping troops there.

    we need to look at this stuff long term. each of these actions will always necessitate another. the actions we need to take right now are to build infrastructure and replace our transportation energy model.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    How much did W2 cost after not leaving troops in Germany after the first go around?
    alliances, interventionism, and brinksmanship led to WWI. pretty much the same kind of policies that some still support.

    it's time to nation build at home for a while. we cannot afford to be the world's pro bono military, and we've been at war almost continuously for nearly one hundred years now. it's time to take a serious look at that, and to decide whether that is really the best path forward for the country.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    "It has always struck me as odd, even perverse, that former Marxists have been permitted, yes invited, to play such a leading role in the Conservative movement of the twentieth century. It is splendid when the town whore gets religion and joins the church. Now and then she makes a good choir director, but when she begins to tell the minister what he ought to say in his Sunday sermons, matters have been carried too far."
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    I'm all in favor of spending our resources here, but ignoring history is just condemning us to repeat it. We could easily close a 100 military installations in the world and have opened two in Iraq. Two bases in Iraq would have been a worthy ounce of prevention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    alliances, interventionism, and brinksmanship led to WWI. pretty much the same kind of policies that some still support.

    it's time to nation build at home for a while. we cannot afford to be the world's pro bono military, and we've been at war almost continuously for nearly one hundred years now. it's time to take a serious look at that, and to decide whether that is really the best path forward for the country.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I'm all in favor of spending our resources here, but ignoring history is just condemning us to repeat it. We could easily close a 100 military installations in the world and have opened two in Iraq. Two bases in Iraq would have been a worthy ounce of prevention.
    i don't see what they could have done there except constantly fight insurgency after insurgency. i don't support maintaining a seventy year long presence there. Iraq is not Japan

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