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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No they aren't, but they are very prominent and vocal ones and we should never forget that they hijacked the US foreign policy apparatus and led us into Iraq on a witch hunt for non-existent weapons of mass destruction.
    "Hijacked" is such a dumb term for this. Every department in the administration was headbutting to get the ear and confidence of the President. Had it been Powell and Armitage that beat Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith few would be using that term to describe it.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Prominent neocon Paul Wolfowitz is famous for the following policy objectives for the US



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    Here it is clearly stated that the most important goal is to contain Russia. Furthermore the goal is to prevent any challenge to the leadership role of the US on the global stage.

    Do such policies put the US on a collision course with the rest of the world? Naturally everyone will not feel the way we do on certain issues and thus there will be challenges to US leadership.

    Are the neocons therefore a threat to world peace?
    We just saw how Russia needs to be contained and what happens if it isn't. 50,000,000 Ukrainians were just made perpetual beggars and slave labor to Russia by Russia stealing all the natural gas and resources of Crimea from Ukraine.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The two selected quotes are expected aspirations for world powers. That it has become taboo to state the obvious is merely hiding the way the world works. It's impolite dinner manners, but it's what each person at the dinner table is thinking.
    Although your point is well taken, I don't think it is necessary a given that aspiring world powers have to thwart the rise of potential competitors. Can you demonstrate that powers cannot rise together? If not then why should preventing the rise of competitors be an imperative of the foreign policy for world powers?

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although your point is well taken, I don't think it is necessary a given that aspiring world powers have to thwart the rise of potential competitors. Can you demonstrate that powers cannot rise together? If not then why should preventing the rise of competitors be an imperative of the foreign policy for world powers?
    I keep thinking of European balance of power objectives through the 18th and 19th centuries.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    "Hijacked" is such a dumb term for this. Every department in the administration was headbutting to get the ear and confidence of the President. Had it been Powell and Armitage that beat Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith few would be using that term to describe it.
    Of course I am borrowing the term for Wilkerson (if I remember right). That said, I think it's a fair description. Basically the intelligence was formed to fit the conclusion as stated by the Dowling Street memo. Dissent was crushed as in Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plane. So yeah, hijack is appropriate.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I keep thinking of European balance of power objectives through the 18th and 19th centuries.
    I need to think about that. My reservation is that right off hand I don't think the powers involved envisioned a cooperative rise for all. Rather I think they were attempts to contain rivals, and there is a subtle difference. Perhaps you could elaborate.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Prominent neocon Paul Wolfowitz is famous for the following policy objectives for the US



    And



    Here it is clearly stated that the most important goal is to contain Russia. Furthermore the goal is to prevent any challenge to the leadership role of the US on the global stage.

    Do such policies put the US on a collision course with the rest of the world? Naturally everyone will not feel the way we do on certain issues and thus there will be challenges to US leadership.

    Are the neocons therefore a threat to world peace?
    Just another nutbag, masturbating to paranoid and feverish dreams of an impossible American global hegemony. Guys like this Wolfowitz clown are heaven-sent for unscrupulous agents with insidious agendas. They unwittingly expedite the selfsame process they profess to oppose. About the only way in which these kumquats are a 'threat' is in their capacity to bore and annoy.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Or if after WWI we would have set in place bases like we did after WWII. You would have thought an educated man like BO would have learned that lesson before leaving Iraq like he did. Some day we will likely have to return there.
    i don't support keeping troops there.

    we need to look at this stuff long term. each of these actions will always necessitate another. the actions we need to take right now are to build infrastructure and replace our transportation energy model.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I hate to get into that, because it means we have to project a bit after his assassination-which is not fun. Certain neoconservatives wanted to make that argument (hell, everyone wanted to claim Kennedy as their own, so why not neoconservatives?), but it's tricky. Parts of the claim make sense, others won't, while others still require us to project years, perhaps decades after his death.
    I agree that many claim JFK, however if you look at his military policies during his presidency, they were rather Bush-like. At least in my opinion.

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