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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Since it does not appear to be clear, let me clarify so that you don't obfuscate due to misunderstanding. First of all let's compare the number of weapons, there was one in the case of Hiroshima. Then let's compare the time range over which the weapon was actually welded against it's target, in this case a matter of seconds. Then yes, like I said killing over the third of the population of Hiroshima with one weapon, destroying two thirds of Hiroshima with one weapon, was more gruesome than anything in western recorded history.

    In addition to the deaths and physical destruction that were inflicted with just one weapon, there were other effects. The effects of radiation poisoning, caused individuals to get cancer due to the freakish mutation of DNA of living cells. Not only that but the unborn in the womb also suffered freakish effects such as increased head size and other birth defects such as this. When you consider that all of that and more was inflicted with one weapon in a matter of seconds, yes it is indeed the most gruesome thing in recorded western history. Dropping some leaflets does not whitewash the atrocity
    What was the purpose of including this obviously doctored photo?

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What was the purpose of including this obviously doctored photo?
    Purpose? Assuming that it is doctored, there was no purpose because OBVIOUSLY I didn't know the photo was doctored. Why was it so OBVIOUS to you that I would post an OBVIOUSLY doctored photo in the discussion? What would be my OBVIOUS purpose in doing so?

    Do you have anything substantial to add to the discussion? Do you dispute that there were birth defects that were the result of a single nuclear bomb being dropped on Hiroshima? Or is this the limit of your contribution?

    Assuming that it is indeed a doctored photo, how do you know for a fact that it is so? Is it a famous photo? What is it about the photo that let's you know that it is doctored?

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How is NATO a threat to Russia?
    A better question would be, how could a military alliance that was formed to contain Russia not be a threat to Russia?

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    A better question would be, how could a military alliance that was formed to contain Russia not be a threat to Russia?
    Because it's never been tested in combat and has rarely been used at all since it's inception.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In reality, the technological advances that have brought us greater weapons have coincided with an increase in human empathy that have demanded - over time - more conscientious rules governing their use. Today, for example, we talk about "collateral damage" and try to avoid it. For most of human history, raping massacring civilians was just what you did to blow off steam after winning the battle. The ancient stories in the Bible that horrify us now about killing every man, woman, child, and animal of an entire enemy tribe or ethnicity was just how you made a statement. The Romans were masters of that sort of public statement - we don't get the phrase sow the earth with salt because that was their fertilizer technique, after all.
    In reality the technological advances have created an insensitivity to killing that is exemplified by the current President of the United States getting a daily list of people who are to be killed by remote control. In the process many innocent people have been killed and are casually written off as collateral damage. The collateral damage designation itself legitimizes the killing because it implies that what was done was humane.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As for talking to people including those in Japan about actual warfare - I have. I lived in Japan for three years, and served alongside their military.
    Did you talk to someone dying from cancer due to radiation poisoning from Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Did they say, thanks for the humane death?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have actually experienced the modern face of warfare (having fought it, and advised others in the fighting of it), and professionally studied warfare of the past. So I wouldn't claim to be John Keegan, but I come to this debate actually having an idea what I am talking about.
    Since you are profess to know so much about warfare and it's history, can you point to references that state that Chandragupta, who founded the Maurya empire, engaged in raping and killing innocent civilians? Or more recently, did Jai Singh who founded Jaipur engage in such atrocities? The people you were referring to were barbarians, similar to the present day savages.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Because it's never been tested in combat and has rarely been used at all since it's inception.
    Let's suppose someone has manufactured a gun that has not been tested. Is that gun not a threat?

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Let's suppose someone has manufactured a gun that has not been tested. Is that gun not a threat?
    If it's never used, no, it's not a threat.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it's never used, no, it's not a threat.
    So a gun is not a threat until the trigger has been pulled for the first time?

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And I'd love to hear what, exactly, the conservatives think should be done instead of economic sanctions.
    McCain wants to bring Ukraine into NATO so that we will have to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So a gun is not a threat until the trigger has been pulled for the first time?
    A guns not a threat at all - the person using the gun is the threat. However, in your example you stated an un-tested gun. An un-tested gun is only a threat to the person doing the testing... if it's never tested an inanimate object is not a threat. NATO is an untested inanimate object. Do you really think that NATO is feared in the world?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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