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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

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    Right, the poor poor Palestinians are innocent victims and no culpability in the matter.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Neocon sounds like Unicorn or some other novel concept.

    I do not think that they can hinder world peace. Yet their position is also valid just in case Russia and/or China go nuts.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I don't really believe that the Neo-Cons were a danger, as they were operating in a period in which the US was the only entity capable of maintaining international security. At the same time the then administration was already implementing action to persuade allies and the UN to alter the foundations of international security, however. The most notable achievement was the incorporation of R2P in the UN Charter, which would probably like the switch away from free-riding by countries like Germany not have been possible without the Iraq imbroglio.
    I disagree with you. Although much could be said, to be brief, you don't maintain international security by trying to pre-empt the rise of other powers. That's how you create international insecurity.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well I don't agree with you at all that the cost was worth it for Iraqis or the region. The whole thing is a mess right now, but that's a discussion for another thread.

    But we do agree on the pre-emption issue which is the focus here.
    I have a hard time understanding the, apparently, majority opinion that it would have been OK to invade Iraq IF they had a nuclear weapons program. "Bush lied and people died". No, anyone who thinks that it would have been OK to invade because of this is, IMHO, a little nuts. We are OK with UK, France, Russia, China, Pakistan, India and Israel having nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Neocon sounds like Unicorn or some other novel concept.

    I do not think that they can hinder world peace. Yet their position is also valid just in case Russia and/or China go nuts.
    Meet my new pet, Neocon the Unicorn!!! He's a little insecure so you better watch out!!!

    They should be kept in the background, not occupying key policy positions as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz. Biting dogs should be used sparingly, otherwise their effect is spoiled and they do more harm than good.

    Speaking of names, Wolfowitz sounds like the mutation of the big bad wolf and the wicked witch of the west!

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    I have a hard time understanding the, apparently, majority opinion that it would have been OK to invade Iraq IF they had a nuclear weapons program. "Bush lied and people died". No, anyone who thinks that it would have been OK to invade because of this is, IMHO, a little nuts. We are OK with UK, France, Russia, China, Pakistan, India and Israel having nuclear weapons.
    At the time I thought Saddam may have had some chemical weapons. But if I remember right, I don't think I ever thought he had nukes because we would never have invaded Iraq if we seriously thought he had them.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Right, the poor poor Palestinians are innocent victims and no culpability in the matter.
    I didn't say that. What I am saying is that Israel has made the whole situation worse through it's policies. In particular Ariel Sharon played an extremely destructive role to the prospects of peace.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Meet my new pet, Neocon the Unicorn!!! He's a little insecure so you better watch out!!!

    They should be kept in the background, not occupying key policy positions as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz. Biting dogs should be used sparingly, otherwise their effect is spoiled and they do more harm than good.

    Speaking of names, Wolfowitz sounds like the mutation of the big bad wolf and the wicked witch of the west!
    Cheney isn't a neoconservative, though.
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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I disagree with you. Although much could be said, to be brief, you don't maintain international security by trying to pre-empt the rise of other powers. That's how you create international insecurity.
    Preemption can work in certain circumstances. Other than in antiquity today's dynamics would let it work for only a short time. In any event, preemption is not really, what the US has been doing since the end of the Cold War. It has maintained a position of military power that has made it more or less immune to aggression by formal states. This has, however, been only the part of a deeper strategy than immediately meets the eye, unless one was watching for it. That effort has been rather well executed by chance or design. that is hard to tell.

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    Re: Are Neocons A Threat to World Peace?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Was there world peace before nazis came along? Did the existence of nazis make the world more or less peaceful?

    You didn't really answer the question. Of course there has never been world peace, but neo-cons are causing more violence and bloodshed and less peace.
    I don't see how they are doing that since they are not in power or directing policy.

    The current administration may be many things it is not neo con. But they are still violently and pre-emptively attacking others.

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