View Poll Results: through which lens do you primarily view political groups?

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  • I tend to view them primarily through political parties

    1 4.17%
  • I tend to view them through cultural or social institutions

    0 0%
  • I tend to view them through one or more issue stances

    7 29.17%
  • I tend to view them through the lens of a formalized morality

    3 12.50%
  • I tend to view them through philosophical considerations

    8 33.33%
  • The best example of my ideology is a certain historical figure

    1 4.17%
  • the bext example of my ideology is a specific historical movement or group

    0 0%
  • I tend to use sociological or anthropological considerations

    2 8.33%
  • I go with my gut

    1 4.17%
  • I listen to a specific authority who is still alive and leading today

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    How do you view political groups?

    through which lens do you view political groups?

    It is a subject of curiosity for me as I will watch two people, both of which are obvious examples of their ideology sit and argue that the other isn't a true (whatever). Yet there is obviously some sort of grouping that works or else these institutions would never have risen up in the first place.

    The question for me is how to get my finger on that line of demarcation that truly works and is predictive.
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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    The heart of an ideology is the philosophy behind it.

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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    The heart of an ideology is the philosophy behind it.
    I actually disagree with that. I tend to see a philosophy as being constructed to affirm and justify instinctual moral impulses that are present from birth, but ultimately created by survival pressures and natural selection preference for certain behaviors over others.

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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    through which lens do you view political groups?

    It is a subject of curiosity for me as I will watch two people, both of which are obvious examples of their ideology sit and argue that the other isn't a true (whatever). Yet there is obviously some sort of grouping that works or else these institutions would never have risen up in the first place.

    The question for me is how to get my finger on that line of demarcation that truly works and is predictive.
    Should have made it multiple choice.
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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Should have made it multiple choice.

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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
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    Maybe it's a combo.
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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I actually disagree with that. I tend to see a philosophy as being constructed to affirm and justify instinctual moral impulses that are present from birth, but ultimately created by survival pressures and natural selection preference for certain behaviors over others.
    .... I don't know if I would have added in the same source that you do - especially now natural selection is not the driving force behind the morals that feed our political impulses (think, for example, about the darwinian v modern approaches to the poor and infirm). But I think you are correct that politics are often constructed to reinforce or serve pre-existent / a priori moral positions.

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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... I don't know if I would have added in the same source that you do - especially now natural selection is not the driving force behind the morals that feed our political impulses (think, for example, about the darwinian v modern approaches to the poor and infirm). But I think you are correct that politics are often constructed to reinforce or serve pre-existent / a priori moral positions.
    I think what we call morals are behaviors that we have evolved to help ensure successful group dynamics.

    Now we can though divide morality into two types
    transcendental - the "should" morality, often derived from philosophy or religion. Morality is external from the human experience
    natural - how people actually behave and beliefs that come about naturally. Morality is internal to the human experience

    However, we tend to want to be moral, because it often feels good in that it excites the pleasure centers in our brain, this is because we are fulfilling instinct. Philosophical and often religious morality is an extension of the innate desire to activate pleasure centers (which pretty much governs all human and animal behavior). However, humanity seems to have multiple workable survival strategies (at least based on our evolution and phases of technology and societal organization such as hunter gatherer or agricultural), so the modern expression of this is different political philosophies (this part is my speculation based on the evidence I have reviewed thus far)

    I am way oversimplifying my POV (which would end up being a big wall o' text if I were to fully express it), almost to the point of missing the point .

    But suffice to say, MRI studies that I have reviewed show that the neural network that are involved in deciding morality are not in the rational or at any conscious level and that rational thinking comes in after most decisions are already made. However the interplay is more complex than that, but this is how it happens most of the time.

    http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/01/t...ight-and-wrong
    http://news.uchicago.edu/article/201...in-study-shows <-- good reading
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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    I tend to view them thru "issue stances" and "ideology", based on moral principles. Most people try and keep their philosophy of life simple about what's fair and just in governing the masses, and how the laws and rules apply to all institutions and individuals.

    For some it's more personal accountability, while with others it more social responsibilities. There's a struggle to find the happy medium, between personal and social justice, now days. The political groups try to separate the issues to represent from different spectrum's. What's amazing is how diametrically opposed they've become to compromise or consolidation of ideas for the good of the whole. The issues have actually taken a backseat to ego driven- "my side" wins attitude, over realistic solutions.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: How do you view political groups?

    I view them as devices to control people.
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