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Thread: The Wealth Gap

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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    How exactly can you achieve power without wealth?
    There are 5 kinds of power and being wealthy has usually more to do with one of them:

    Power 1 = Positive power. The position of one to give you something you want in exchange for something they want. Eg., the rich give you money in exchange for your qualities.

    Power 2 = Negative power. The position of one to take something from you should you not do something as they want. E.g., If you drive fast you will get a ticket, if you do not pay back you may be killed from the mafia, if you do not surrender you may get bombarded, etc.

    Power 3 = Expert power. Doctors, lawyers, artists, craftman, etc., have power over what you will do in order for you to get well. They generate knowledge in their expert fields, something the rest ought to follow for their own good.

    Power 4 = Standard power. It is the power of the norm, standards, culture, and usual societal expectations that we are surrounded with.

    Power 5 = Referential or information power. Basically you trade some service in exchange for unique high in demand information. Spies benefit from this power the most.

    So pick one power, work on it, compete with rival people that use similar power as you, and exchange powers with people whom use different kinds of power. You may not poses the positive power like the rich but you may have other powers that may be of use to you.
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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Yes but money is not equivalent to wealth in the literal sense. If it were, we could just print a billion dollars for every person on earth and then everybody could live happily ever after, lounging at a beach resort in the Caribbean sipping a fruity drink out of a coconut shell. We all know that's not true.

    Wealth is the collection of all material goods/resources humans possess from which humans can derive benefit. So, food, motorcycles, mouse traps, crude oil, hair scrunchies, CPUs, hypodermic needles, wedding dresses, shovels, books, skyscrapers, dildos, etc. Money is an agreed-upon representation of ownership of a certain amount of that collection of goods.

    Printing money doesn't increase wealth because it doesn't increase this collection of goods.
    So why cannot one who has money buy those goods?
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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What the statistics in the OP demonstrate is that anyone who works for a living, who applies their skills to do something for our nation, for their community, for the people of this country, are getting screwed.
    That's ridiculous. "Anyone" who works for a living, etc. is automatically and necessarily getting screwed? All people are victims now?

    The class that does nothing, but rather owns things, is reaping all the benefits of technological innovation and that huge improvements in productivity that American workers have made over the last half century, and that is just wrong.
    There is no particular class that does nothing. There is no one class that reaps ALL benefits of technological innovation. Again, ridiculous.

    There is no ethical way to justify the idea that hardworking people suffer while owning things brings prosperity and wealth.
    Every person, every living thing, is vulnerable to suffering. When it comes to suffering and death, wealth is truly irrelevant. Wealth does not buy immortality, or even happiness.

    But the tier beyond that, the tier that crashes economies,
    There is no one tier that crashes economies!

    It is a choice, right now, that we continue to disproportionately reward people for astounding self-interest. It is a choice we should alter.
    What one thing would you advise people to do to cease support of owners of significant wealth?

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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Survival of the fittest.
    ???

    What about it? That it's a terrible basis upon which to model civilization? Yes, I agree.

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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So why cannot one who has money buy those goods?
    One can. EVERYone cannot.

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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    1) There does not exist enough wealth for everyone to have as much as they want.

    2) In some cases increasing one person's wealth means that someone else must lose wealth.
    1) Make more

    2) Bull****, wealth is not a zero sum games.
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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This is an hilarious skit. The part where Alice Walton, one of the owners of Walmart, spent over a billion dollars on an art museum in Arkansas, instead of giving employees a raise, is too funny.
    Your video has been deleted. I'm an owner of Wal Mart too and I haven't given employees a raise either. That isn't my role, I'm a shareholder, not a manager of the company.

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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I'm not sure what the OP is asking so I'll answer my own questions.

    Does more money = more leverage? Yes

    Is that unfair? No

    Is it a problem even though it's fair? Yes. "Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty." - Ronald Reagan
    Honestly guys, the only thing that bothers me about the ultra rich is their ability to buy legislation and bribe politicians, even if its indirectly and is caused by dependency corruption versus blatant corruption, thus negatively affecting my life or the life of the country. If they were somehow prevented from skewing the balance of political power away from the people, than I would cease to care. (and this is not about whether I may or may not agree with this or that rich person, its about how I think the country works best for everyone).

    This is where the SCOTUS is getting things disastrously wrong and is where existing rulings are quite dangerous to the health of our country, because as things get skewed, people's natural tendencies to want to have a say in the environment around them will seek ever more desperate ways to have that say if they are shut out of the normal political systems. This very thing has destroyed other societies in the past.
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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    We seem to be living in an age of robber barons. It should be a concern for the people. Though I think encouraging the billionaires to spend their money is a good solution but I am not so sure it will help set this point.
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    Re: The Wealth Gap

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    You gotta be kidding me baby...It takes wealth to play in politics or you can't play.. I would say that Judges have more power..
    Yes, it takes money, but it doesn't have to be YOUR money. You can get elected to national office and never spend a dime of your own money.
    Judges are political power.
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