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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ok, that's a start. Do you know if that counts money given to PACs and independent ads?
    No clue but I'm sure you can find out if you are really interested.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's difficult when these campaigns that have so much money spend that money ads that muddy the waters, that don't let the real issues shine through when we are at the polls.

    Also, it's more about who the politicians are thinking about when they are in office and how they decide to vote. No politician will risk losing the backing of a multi-billion dollar corporation by voting for a bill that would be against their interest, but in the interest of the people. That is the much bigger problem, IMO. We need to have the politicians obligated to the people and not other forces, and taking money out of politics is the best way to achieve that goal.
    It's only difficult when we keep insisting on searching for the ever-elusive easy answer instead of taking the time and doing our own due diligence before we vote. We don't want to be bothered with having to actually commit some of our own time. Instead, we want easy "solutions" like cutting off money and term limits, and other things that really do nothing but make us feel good in the short term.

    All it would take to get politicians to start taking the average voter seriously would be for the re-election rate to decrease from the current 90%+ to 50% or less. If they knew the chances of them not even being a politician anymore were very real, they'd treat us far differently. Right now our threats are empty, they know it, and they treat us accordingly.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government is an organization of the predatory process and totalitarian control by political means over a given territorial area, and until that changes nothing about the organization will ever be anything but entirely based on greed. One such reason that this underlining nature of government is a plague on humanity is that those that desire to govern are almost always those men that desire to rule over their fellow men, but find very little value in their fellow human beings; while those that deserve to govern have no inclination to rule over their fellow man and find no pleasure in the task. If a society found itself to have sufficient compassion and love for humanity like those that have no inclination to govern, than more than likely there would be no good arguments to be found to as to why governance was necessary.
    Here I think you have made some excellent observations. Of particular interest is the observation that those who deserve to govern have no interest in ruling over their fellow man and this is certainly true. And although it is difficult to implement a system of government that is not based on greed, it is possible and your observation is the key. The most difficult task in creating a such a system is to create a class of highly intelligent individuals who are devoted to truth, that practice self control, and that practically demonstrate their love of humanity through exhibiting the qualities of tolerance and mercy. Indeed it is these individuals who should be held in the highest esteem by human society as opposed to people that exhibit the qualities of ignorance, cruelty, hubris and arrogance. Once this class of individuals is established, those individuals who have a tendency to want to rule should be placed under their control. In this way, those who want to rule will do so under the guidance and control of those who are fit to rule. So that is two classes, an intelligent class and a ruling class. The next essential class of those who feel a natural inclination to make money. They are important because they provide employment, the wealth that is needed to facilitate the operation of government, and the things that society needs for it's sustenance such as food, clothing, etc. Government should let this class engage in the pursuit of profit as they see fit as long as it is done in a fair and constructive manner. Everyone else should facilitate the activities of these three essential classes. In this way, a government that is not based on greed can be implemented. However, the most difficult part is the creation and maintenance of the intelligent class. But it is possible if there is a will to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government encourages the people to challenge each other as only one party can ever win any dispute that government ever has a hand in, and therefore, everyone has an interest to influence those making policy decisions, so as they can obtain victory on a given issue over their fellow citizens. The problem with all government action is that they remove freedom and give the government the sole authority on how things will be done and seen as acceptable. If people are going to fight to retain their freedom or win on a given issue they will inevitably be pitted against their fellow man. The rich have just as much interest in government as anyone else and since the politicians will always be greedy there is little doubt they will always accept the rich mans money.
    I think we have established that people with enormous amounts of wealth have extraordinary influence on our political system and therefore our government. These people have determined that winner take all, adversarial competition amongst the underclasses for access to the levers of wealth and power is the best way to maintain and increase their status. As a result, as you have so astutely observed, we have a government that encourages winner take all, adversarial competition. If however, we implement a government as I described above, the problems that you have noted will be minimized and eradicated.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    And you don't want to talk about hyperbole? It isn't speech - guess what - YES IT IS. For you can spew all you want all over your bloody forum but until you BUY a presentation to make it heard its not SPEECH its hyperbole. What an ignorant statement. You'd make the mullahs proud acting just like them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    from now on, when you end a point with hyperbole, i will not respond to it.

    yes, i think that we should get money out of politics. it isn't speech. he should not be granted more speech than you or i just because he has enough money to buy politicians. there should be contribution limits, and everything should be on the public record.



    the purchase of politicians is not speech. if so, then those without the money to speak are being denied their first amendment rights.



    i don't GAF about either of them. if Soros could buy single payer, which is one of my top issues, i would not support doing it that way.



    conservatives support states rights, and he's trying to purchase a revocation of rights to the states. why would you carry his water? he gives zero ****s about you or anyone else.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    You forgot the "Who?" option on the poll.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    I want to say yes, but, his 2012 GOP choice (Newt Gingrich) didn't win the primary.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Soros gets fellated by any Democrat looking for public office for years, but I get to hear about Adelson.
    You haven't heard about Soros?
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Never heard of the guy. Honestly.
    That's the way he likes it too.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You haven't heard about Soros?
    What did he do now?

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What did he do now?
    Supports Liberal causes. And you know that, which means that you have heard about him plenty. And this thread is probably the first time you've heard about Adelson. And yet you complain that you are 'having to hear about Adelson [instead of Soros]', as if there wasn't plenty of news about Soros when he does stuff. As if there was some kind 'out to get conservatives' in the press, when there clearly is not. It is clear that you have a very selective filter, and I was pointing it out.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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