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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The vote and having our politicians being obligated to us instead of their monetary backers.
    but what DO We want? nice words-sort of unrealistic IMHO

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but what DO We want? nice words-sort of unrealistic IMHO

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Government serves many purposes but distilling it to greed is short sighted. Government maintains domestic tranquility, provides for secure borders supposidly, provides consumer protection and provides infrastructure for the common good, like post roads. The problem with government is that the people in it fall in love with power. I am conflicted as to wether the quest for power is associated with greed but one thing is certain. Big government increases power and that is generally harmful to liberty and freedom.
    I think that what has you conflicted is that the quest for power is the more fundamental urge. The problem is that sometimes this urge becomes so strong that it causes one to contemplate destructive means to fulfill ones desires. At that time it becomes harmful to others and one's own self, and the urge for power in that state is known as greed. So I think it's correct to say that greed is the urge for power in a destructive, possibly uncontrolled state.

    That being said, I think that an increase in government power can be harmful to liberty and freedom, although I don't think that is necessarily the case depending on how you define liberty and freedom.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    And so we should restrict his ability to share his point of view? Really? You want to live in an Iranian like state?

    The first amendment is aimed to protect the speech that needs protecting; not that which we want to hear. The majority (not you) that dislike this man's point of view love G. Soro's and he's not even a US Citizen. The many who hate this man's point of view have no trouble with a union forming, gathering dues, and using it to buy elected officials that give them a favorable contract.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    All Sheldon Adelson wants | Opinion | The Seattle Times




    one person should not be able to buy legislation because he has more money than the other 330,000,000. this guy is trying to do that.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No. The real problem is that the political system has to much power and influence over our lives, activities and private enterprise. If politicians lacked the power to peddle influence and grant favors, there would be no reason for anyone to attempt to influence them.
    Considering the percentage we spend on defense, I would question the validity of that meme.

    Move power to the states and the money will.follow.

    And money already controls. So how do you get to the state of near anarchy you want?

    Money talks and it likes it that way. How do you propose to convince them to allow the changes you want?
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    To say you will have a government without greed is like saying you will have a donut that is high in nutritional value. As long as the government has the domain of force it will always attract those people that desire to be rich and powerful. Sure, there is exceptions to the rule much like there is with anything, but throughout history we are talking about less than a dozen men. People that think they can compete with the rich for government power or to shut them out of government are complete morons.
    While it is not practical to have a government without greed, it is possible to have one in which the effects of greed are minimized. This can be done if intelligent people, who have sufficient compassion and love of humanity, are able to first of all identify when the effects of greed have reached a level such that the situation requires rectification. The next thing is having effective mechanisms in place such that once identified, the problem can be corrected. Sometimes it may require violent coercion to correct the situation. That's why some sort of police force is necessary.

    I think that the notion that it's impossible to curb the influence of the rich and powerful on government is foolish. That's part of what democracy is supposed to be about. It's about the sharing of government power amongst those who are governed, not about the concentration of power in the hands of a few.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    What do you want, material about wealthy donors to Democrats or goop. If you are interested you can easily research it. Here's a start:
    Ok, that's a start. Do you know if that counts money given to PACs and independent ads?

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    opinion noted, not shared. The rich are not a monolithic force and for every rich conservative there are at least two wealthy liberals are contributing to what they want-welfare socialism and crony capitalism
    While I agree the rich are not monolithic, I don't think your one to two ratio is accurate. But I think you are just accenting a point, so fair enough.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While it is not practical to have a government without greed, it is possible to have one in which the effects of greed are minimized. This can be done if intelligent people, who have sufficient compassion and love of humanity, are able to first of all identify when the effects of greed have reached a level such that the situation requires rectification. The next thing is having effective mechanisms in place such that once identified, the problem can be corrected. Sometimes it may require violent coercion to correct the situation. That's why some sort of police force is necessary.
    The government is an organization of the predatory process and totalitarian control by political means over a given territorial area, and until that changes nothing about the organization will ever be anything but entirely based on greed. One such reason that this underlining nature of government is a plague on humanity is that those that desire to govern are almost always those men that desire to rule over their fellow men, but find very little value in their fellow human beings; while those that deserve to govern have no inclination to rule over their fellow man and find no pleasure in the task. If a society found itself to have sufficient compassion and love for humanity like those that have no inclination to govern, than more than likely there would be no good arguments to be found to as to why governance was necessary.

    I think that the notion that it's impossible to curb the influence of the rich and powerful on government is foolish. That's part of what democracy is supposed to be about. It's about the sharing of government power amongst those who are governed, not about the concentration of power in the hands of a few.
    The government encourages the people to challenge each other as only one party can ever win any dispute that government ever has a hand in, and therefore, everyone has an interest to influence those making policy decisions, so as they can obtain victory on a given issue over their fellow citizens. The problem with all government action is that they remove freedom and give the government the sole authority on how things will be done and seen as acceptable. If people are going to fight to retain their freedom or win on a given issue they will inevitably be pitted against their fellow man. The rich have just as much interest in government as anyone else and since the politicians will always be greedy there is little doubt they will always accept the rich mans money.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    And so we should restrict his ability to share his point of view? Really? You want to live in an Iranian like state?
    from now on, when you end a point with hyperbole, i will not respond to it.

    yes, i think that we should get money out of politics. it isn't speech. he should not be granted more speech than you or i just because he has enough money to buy politicians. there should be contribution limits, and everything should be on the public record.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    The first amendment is aimed to protect the speech that needs protecting; not that which we want to hear.
    the purchase of politicians is not speech. if so, then those without the money to speak are being denied their first amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    The majority (not you) that dislike this man's point of view love G. Soro's and he's not even a US Citizen.
    i don't GAF about either of them. if Soros could buy single payer, which is one of my top issues, i would not support doing it that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    The many who hate this man's point of view have no trouble with a union forming, gathering dues, and using it to buy elected officials that give them a favorable contract.
    conservatives support states rights, and he's trying to purchase a revocation of rights to the states. why would you carry his water? he gives zero ****s about you or anyone else.

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