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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    And you don't think Obama has Soros goop on his chin? Democrats have more mega wealthy donors than Republicans. Start a thread about that.
    That is also of concern so you should provide us some source material to demonstrate that this is so.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They won't have any more power than the already do; also unions wouldn't be able to donate to political campaigns either, so their power would be greatly reduced.

    The greatest power would be returned to the people, the politicians would have to directly talk to us, they would have to serve our needs and not the needs of large corporations and multi-billionaire donors. This is the way a republic is supposed to work, not this ****ed up system we have now.
    disagree-unions will have the ability of advocating their members vote a certain way and MSM-which was essentially part of the BHO campaign in 2008 and 2012 won't have to worry about contra messages



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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It is human greed that makes government NECESSARY in the first place. And intelligent, responsible people should first of all recognize that there is a need for government. Furthermore they also have the responsibility to make sure that the greed, anger, and envy of the wealthy do not have an influence on government.

    Both things need to be there.
    Government serves many purposes but distilling it to greed is short sighted. Government maintains domestic tranquility, provides for secure borders supposidly, provides consumer protection and provides infrastructure for the common good, like post roads. The problem with government is that the people in it fall in love with power. I am conflicted as to wether the quest for power is associated with greed but one thing is certain. Big government increases power and that is generally harmful to liberty and freedom.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The voters could take that power back at any time. They just won't.
    It's difficult when these campaigns that have so much money spend that money ads that muddy the waters, that don't let the real issues shine through when we are at the polls.

    Also, it's more about who the politicians are thinking about when they are in office and how they decide to vote. No politician will risk losing the backing of a multi-billion dollar corporation by voting for a bill that would be against their interest, but in the interest of the people. That is the much bigger problem, IMO. We need to have the politicians obligated to the people and not other forces, and taking money out of politics is the best way to achieve that goal.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is also of concern so you should provide us some source material to demonstrate that this is so.
    What do you want, material about wealthy donors to Democrats or goop. If you are interested you can easily research it. Here's a start:

    Start with Congress itself. Who are the wealthiest members? Well, there are 269 millionaires among Congress' 535 members. And most of them are Democrats.

    And contrary to the hand-wringing on the left about the Supreme Court's 5-4 McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission ruling Wednesday, Democrats far outspend Republicans on elections. It isn't even close.

    According to OpenSecrets.org, from 1989 to 2014 rich donors gave Democrats $1.15 billion — $416 million more than the $736 million given to the GOP. Among the top 10 donors to both parties, Democrat supporters outspent Republican supporters 2-to-1.

    But what about the villainous Koch brothers, those conservative plutocrats supposedly seeking to control American politics? They rank 59th on the list of big givers — behind 18 unions and No. 1 Act Blue, the massive left-wing fund raiser that gives only to Democrats.


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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No. Sheldon Adelson is an individual with a lot of money and connections, that's all.

    Money is too powerful in American politics. It needs to be taken out or minimized as much as possible.
    Although I think he is too powerful, I think you have correctly pointed out that Adelson is a specific case of a more general problem. Good point.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    disagree-unions will have the ability of advocating their members vote a certain way and MSM-which was essentially part of the BHO campaign in 2008 and 2012 won't have to worry about contra messages
    First off, Fox News is part of the MSM, so yeah.

    And the unions will not have gained any power, they can already do that now, but the main power would be with the people.

    Also, in my scenario, the internet would be the best place to reach the people. It's cheap, widespread, and you can get your message out there without any interference.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    First off, Fox News is part of the MSM, so yeah.

    And the unions will not have gained any power, they can already do that now, but the main power would be with the people.

    Also, in my scenario, the internet would be the best place to reach the people. It's cheap, widespread, and you can get your message out there without any interference.
    what is power for the people? most people cannot even tell you who their two senators are



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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is power for the people? most people cannot even tell you who their two senators are
    The vote and having our politicians being obligated to us instead of their monetary backers.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It is human greed that makes government NECESSARY in the first place. Intelligent, responsible people should first of all recognize that there is a need for government. Furthermore they also have the responsibility to make sure that the greed, anger, and envy of the wealthy do not have an influence on government.

    Both things need to be there.

    To say you will have a government without greed is like saying you will have a donut that is high in nutritional value. As long as the government has the domain of force it will always attract those people that desire to be rich and powerful. Sure, there is exceptions to the rule much like there is with anything, but throughout history we are talking about less than a dozen men. People that think they can compete with the rich for government power or to shut them out of government are complete morons.

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