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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Reality-governmen is too powerful in american society. It needs to be minimized as much as possible

    then we won't have to worry about billionaires buying the government since it won't be all that valuable to them
    I agree that the government is indeed too powerful and needs to be minimized as much as possible. At the same time, that influence needs to be reduced steadily but gradually, the same way it was increased, or the unintended consequences will be many and varied.

    A well-crafted model for eliminating money from politics could turn that money off more or less overnight.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Absolutely. As long as people are allowed to donate such large amounts of money to political campaigns the ultra-rich will inevitably have much more power than they should with regards to our political system.
    and given they pay far more for funding they government, I don't see a problem with that

    what I have a problem with is government is too big



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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I agree that the government is indeed too powerful and needs to be minimized as much as possible. At the same time, that influence needs to be reduced steadily but gradually, the same way it was increased, or the unintended consequences will be many and varied.

    A well-crafted model for eliminating money from politics could turn that money off more or less overnight.

    the problem is some entities will have more access and power-such as the MSM



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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and given they pay far more for funding they government, I don't see a problem with that

    what I have a problem with is government is too big
    I don't believe anyone should be able to donate to political campaigns. Money is the number one problem with politics. We should ban political ads like they do in the UK and if you want to run and are one of the main parties candidates the government should give you a small amount to run your campaign, allowing only specific expenses of course, and that will be that. They'll have to run off of their ideas and not be able to buy their way into office.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I don't believe anyone should be able to donate to political campaigns. Money is the number one problem with politics. We should ban political ads like they do in the UK and if you want to run and are one of the main parties candidates the government should give you a small amount to run your campaign, allowing only specific expenses of course, and that will be that. They'll have to run off of their ideas and not be able to buy their way into office.
    yeah so rich guys will have an advantage.

    the best thing to do is allow unlimited contributions but complete disclosures. I don't like given the MSM or unions that much power



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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem is some entities will have more access and power-such as the MSM
    Some entities will always have more access and power. That's not a reason avoid trying to fix a broken system.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah so rich guys will have an advantage.

    the best thing to do is allow unlimited contributions but complete disclosures. I don't like given the MSM or unions that much power
    Oh, they can't use their money either. Big part I forgot to add.

    So, no one would have a money advantage; they would be running off of their ideas and not money.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Oh, they can't use their money either. Big part I forgot to add.

    So, no one would have a money advantage; they would be running off of their ideas and not money.
    and thus MSM and the unions would have tremendous power



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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the left whines about wealthy people buying government but its the left that made government so much bigger than it should be
    This is a great point. I think most of us would like to see a government by the people instead of government by corporate interests. The left opposes government by corporate interests as a cause while their leaders court monied businesses for support, as do republicans. The left also wants the government to be more powerful, so their position is that their party takes money from corporations and wants government to have more power over the people. Republicans want just as much money from corporations but they want government to have less influence over the people, at least in theory.

    The bottom line is that both parties are full of it, but the only politicians worth listening to are the ones who favor smaller government. Smaller government is the only way that corporations will have less influence over our lives because of a shift in power back to the people.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No. The real problem is that the political system has to much power and influence over our lives, activities and private enterprise. If politicians lacked the power to peddle influence and grant favors, there would be no reason for anyone to attempt to influence them.
    Wrong. The real problem is the human greed, anger, and envy that make government necessary in the first place.

    It was human greed that led Europeans to engage in the practice of enslaving Africans for profit. It was government that put an end to that. It was human greed that led to the proliferation of counterfeit, contaminated, diluted, and decomposed drugs. It was government that put and end to that. It was human greed that led to the exploitation of young children for the sake of cheap labor. It was government that put and end to that.

    The problem with your response is that although you correctly pointed out that government currently has too much influence over our lives, you failed to correctly identify the underlying cause of the problem. As a result of this, your response would have us believe that simply reducing the influence of government will solve the problem, and that simply is not true. While we do need to reduce government influence in some instances, it should be done in such a way that US citizens are protected from the power that wealthy people, which left unchecked, have to inflict unjust suffering on not only the citizens of the US, but the entire world as well.

    It is certainly problematic that wealthy individuals currently have too much control over the political system. What is needed is effective mechanisms, e.g. laws, to limit that influence.

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