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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I guess the part where I wrote- "Follow the remarkable connections of the leadership, let alone membership" escaped you. Perhaps on purpose?

    Oh well, it won't matter if you don't want to know the truth.
    I did indeed "follow the remarkable connections / membership. I cross checked them to the Forbes 400 list and concluded the list was rather unremarkable as NONE of those people listed were billionaires.

    Gallery : #1 Forbes 400 Bill Gates - Forbes.com

    Again, the thread is about the power of the individual... the mega wealthy: its about one person yielding too much political power because of his wealth (billionaires), not about well off people (millionaires) that are interested in politics. In 2012, the election for POTUS cost $1B. We are talking about one individual that could influence that outcome and essentially own the President (or the Senate). That requires a billionaire. The Forbes list are the 400 billionaires in the US.

    I'm not sure what "connections" have to do with anything.... all of us are connected (just look at Linked-In). I am 1 step removed from at least 12 people members of the Forbes 400 and have met / was in a meeting with about a half dozen.. that doesn't make me a political power broker.

    The fact that someone is a President of the Service Employees Union and affiliated with the Democrats is not what we are discussing here. Please show me which of these names you find remarkable or their connections remarkable? How is it similar to Sheldon Adeleson personally writing checks for $1B to influence elections? Frankly, your link to Democracy Alliance is not really germane to the topic at hand.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, the thread is about the power of the individual... the mega wealthy. NONE of those people listed were billionaires. I cross checked most of them to the Forbes 400 without success.

    Gallery : #1 Forbes 400 Bill Gates - Forbes.com

    I'm not sure what "connections" have to do with anything.... all of us are connected (just look at Linked-In). I am 1 step removed from at least 12 people members of the Forbes 400 and have met / was in a meeting with about a half dozen.. that doesn't make me a political power broker.

    This thread is about one person yielding too much political power because of his wealth (billionaires), not about well off people (millionaires) that are interested in politics. Frankly, your link to Democracy Alliance is not really germane to the topic at hand.


    You didn't check much. Had you done so, you would have learned a bit more about what the Democracy Alliance is.

    For example, here is an excerpt from an article that appeared awhile back.


    The meeting – organized by a group of wealthy, politically active liberals called the Democracy Alliance – took place at Washington’s swank Mandarin Oriental hotel, where off-duty police officers and other security patrolled the halls looking for reporters and other uninvited guests, who were escorted from the premises.

    Among the donors spotted at the conference on Tuesday, the second day of the three-day gathering, were former Stride Rite chairman Arnold Hiatt, hedge fund financier Donald Sussman, electronics pioneer Bill Budinger, real estate developer Wayne Jordan and Suzanne Hess, the wife of real estate mogul Lawrence Hess.

    There was no sign of some of the deepest-pocketed Democracy Alliance members, such as tech entrepreneur Tim Gill, insurance magnate Peter Lewis, or billionaire financier George Soros, though Michael Vachon, a Soros representative, did attend.


    Read more: Crashing the big Democratic donors' D.C. meeting - Kenneth P. Vogel and Jessica Taylor - POLITICO.com


    Of course, this is just a partial list. One needs to then look at the so called "trusts" who hide behind their tax exempt status to steer $10's of millions towards the various Progressive causes.

    Consider the Annenberg Trust, Tides Foundation, Knight Foundation, Ford Foundation. The list is very long, and the assets are staggering.

    Again, the individual billionaires who have teamed up with George Soros and joined in creating the Progressive Machine make the Koch Brothers look like minor league bench warmers.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    He is no more a threat as any left wing billionaire
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The Über rich often crave power and a big government that they think they run will give them more power than a decentralized limited government. That is mainly why so many uber wealthy types are fans of big government. It increases the power of the leashes they hold
    ....surely you aren't suggesting that uber-wealthy individuals and large corporations would recognize that government interference in the market can allow them to snare amazing ROI through investment in regulatory advantages?!?

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You didn't check much. Had you done so, you would have learned a bit more about what the Democracy Alliance is.

    For example, here is an excerpt from an article that appeared awhile back.


    The meeting – organized by a group of wealthy, politically active liberals called the Democracy Alliance – took place at Washington’s swank Mandarin Oriental hotel, where off-duty police officers and other security patrolled the halls looking for reporters and other uninvited guests, who were escorted from the premises.

    Among the donors spotted at the conference on Tuesday, the second day of the three-day gathering, were former Stride Rite chairman Arnold Hiatt, hedge fund financier Donald Sussman, electronics pioneer Bill Budinger, real estate developer Wayne Jordan and Suzanne Hess, the wife of real estate mogul Lawrence Hess.

    There was no sign of some of the deepest-pocketed Democracy Alliance members, such as tech entrepreneur Tim Gill, insurance magnate Peter Lewis, or billionaire financier George Soros, though Michael Vachon, a Soros representative, did attend.


    Read more: Crashing the big Democratic donors' D.C. meeting - Kenneth P. Vogel and Jessica Taylor - POLITICO.com


    Of course, this is just a partial list. One needs to then look at the so called "trusts" who hide behind their tax exempt status to steer $10's of millions towards the various Progressive causes.

    Consider the Annenberg Trust, Tides Foundation, Knight Foundation, Ford Foundation. The list is very long, and the assets are staggering.

    Again, the individual billionaires who have teamed up with George Soros and joined in creating the Progressive Machine make the Koch Brothers look like minor league bench warmers.
    Again, the thread is about single individuals writing very big checks (like $1B) that can singularly influence national elections. To have that kind of money, you have to be a multi-billionaire. All multi-billionaires are on the Forbes 400 list. NONE of the people on Democracy Alliance or any other person you mention qualifies. I sure they are all very rich and very comfortable, but NONE of these people are singularly resourced such that they can impact national elections; they are relative light-weights.

    The issue of whether democrats or republicans count the wealthy among their supporters is not the discussion (they each do; there is nothing to discuss). The issue is about singular individuals that can write $1B political checks, like Adelson or Koch (or Soros)... thus far, you have not mentioned a single "liberal" billionaire that actually writes these checks other than the one we all know, George Soros.

    You are trying to side bar an argument with something that simply is not germane to the discussion.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, the thread is about single individuals writing very big checks (like $1B) that can singularly influence national elections. To have that kind of money, you have to be a multi-billionaire. All multi-billionaires are on the Forbes 400 list. NONE of the people on Democracy Alliance or any other person you mention qualifies. I sure they are all very rich and very comfortable, but NONE of these people are singularly resourced such that they can impact national elections; they are relative light-weights.

    The issue of whether democrats or republicans count the wealthy among their supporters is not the discussion (they each do; there is nothing to discuss). The issue is about singular individuals that can write $1B political checks, like Adelson or Koch (or Soros)... thus far, you have not mentioned a single "liberal" billionaire that actually writes these checks other than the one we all know, George Soros.

    You are trying to side bar an argument with something that simply is not germane to the discussion.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Every billionaire is too powerful. Nobody should have that kind of advantage over everyone else, and certainly not with the kind of unaccountable power that men like Adelson enjoy.
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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thank you for your opinion. You're allowed to be wrong, so I'll leave you in that position.
    I am completely missing your point... this thread is about whether multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson has too much power in the political process because of his ability AND his willingness to spend a lot (like $1B) on the candidate(s) of his choice. Some one suggested the Dems have plenty of Aldeson in their camp... I asked who.... neither you nor anyone else have named such an individual (albeit, I acknowledge that George Soros is such an individual).... that was my point. Please re-articulate your point as it is lost on me.... surely you can well articulate it in one to three sentences.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I am completely missing your point... this thread is about whether multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson has too much power in the political process because of his ability AND his willingness to spend a lot (like $1B) on the candidate(s) of his choice. Some one suggested the Dems have plenty of Aldeson in their camp... I asked who.... neither you nor anyone else have named such an individual (albeit, I acknowledge that George Soros is such an individual).... that was my point. Please re-articulate your point as it is lost on me.... surely you can well articulate it in one to three sentences.
    You have chosen to ignore the people you have been directed to. That is your choice.

    From the start it seems quite clear you have made no attempt to understand what the Democracy Alliance is, and who the members are. The members include some of wealthiest individuals on the planet. It's costs $1 million to join, but you don't know that.

    I suggested you follow the backgrounds of the people on their leadership board. This would include the groups and investment hedge funds they own or represent.

    For example, prior to his recent death, Peter Lewis, CEO, Progressive Insurance, and Forbes billionaire, was a major donor alongside his buddy George Soros. It wouldn't have taken much effort to learn this via the Democracy Alliance. In fact, it was big news in 2012 when he left the Democracy Alliance over differences in opinion over the course of action it was taking.

    Here's a little link.

    Peter Lewis Leaves Democracy Alliance, The Liberal Donor Network

    WASHINGTON -- Peter Lewis, one of the Democracy Alliance's founding billionaires, has dropped out of the influential liberal donor network, people familiar with his decision tell HuffPost

    Hey, it's your choice to be influenced to remain within the boundaries defined for you. Just don't expect much sympathy to your demands when it's obvious you won't make any effort to break out of them.

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    Re: Is Billionare Republican Sheldon Adelson Too Powerful?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    When gov't operates for business Corporations like gambling or big energy, it is more accurately CORPORATISM or Fascism. That is where we are at. Adelson has prevented online gambling to protect Casino gambling. Big Energy has promoted wars to acquire resources and in both specific instances, our gov't was bought and sold. I'm sure I didn't vote for that or read it written clearly and without obfuscation in the Mainstream Media.
    What has Big Government done? Oh yeah, killed more people and stolen more wealth than all corporations combined throughout history.
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