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Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

Should women sign up


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With more and more push to for women to do combat roles in the military should women have to sign up for selective services. For those that don't know Selective Services what male Americans have to sign up for when they turn 18 so they can be drafted if a draft is ever called up again. If you fail to sign up you can face jail time, be fined, and is denied aid for college.
 
With more and more push to for women to do combat roles in the military should women have to sign up for selective services. For those that don't know Selective Services what male Americans have to sign up for when they turn 18 so they can be drafted if a draft is ever called up again. If you fail to sign up you can face jail time, be fined, and is denied aid for college.

Women should be equal to men in the light of society....in every possible way.
 
While I don't think men should either but if you are going to have it I think both genders should.
 
What if both father and mother are drafted?
 
If men are legally obligated to do something once they become an adult, there is literally no reason why women should not be similarly obligated.
 
I think our society is deeply in error where it tries to treat men and woman as interchangeable, and to deny the essential, fundamental differences between them.

The idea of women being subject to the same obligation as men with regard to military service, and the idea of women serving in combat, is surely one of the most blatant areas in which this error can be seen.

It is the natural role and duty of men to protect women, and to fight violently, where necessary, to do so. This is programmed into us by instinct. Similarly, wherever else the use of violence is called for, this falls under the natural role and duty of men, and not of women. To hold that women should bear the same obligation as men in this regard, is to deny the basic natural differences between men and women.

In a practical sense, if you put men and women in a situation where they are fighting side by side against a common enemy, it is going to be the natural instinct of every real man who is of any value as a man, to protect the women around him at the expense of the cause for which he is supposed to be fighting. Aside form the obvious reduction in effectiveness as a military force, one has to consider the implications of training men and women for this situation, to override their natural instincts, when they are later returned to civilian society. What can be the impact, in a civilian society, of men who have been trained to override their natural instinct to protect women? What of women who have been trained to engage in violence outside of their inherent nature? Neither of these is going to be good for the society into which these former soldiers are returned.


I would very much prefer that women not be in the military at all, and where they are in the military, that they be kept as far as possible from actual combat.
 
No. We have never needed then to do so before, and we don't need it now.
 
What if both father and mother are drafted?

My OP was just about this subject manner in the board sense not the small details if such a thing happen. Pretty sure that would be rules in place to make something like that didn't happen.
 
With more and more push to for women to do combat roles in the military should women have to sign up for selective services. For those that don't know Selective Services what male Americans have to sign up for when they turn 18 so they can be drafted if a draft is ever called up again. If you fail to sign up you can face jail time, be fined, and is denied aid for college.

If women are equal to men then they should be treated equal in every regard and that includes being drafted.
 
I think our society is deeply in error where it tries to treat men and woman as interchangeable, and to deny the essential, fundamental differences between them.

The idea of women being subject to the same obligation as men with regard to military service, and the idea of women serving in combat, is surely one of the most blatant areas in which this error can be seen.

It is the natural role and duty of men to protect women, and to fight violently, where necessary, to do so. This is programmed into us by instinct. Similarly, wherever else the use of violence is called for, this falls under the natural role and duty of men, and not of women. To hold that women should bear the same obligation as men in this regard, is to deny the basic natural differences between men and women.

In a practical sense, if you put men and women in a situation where they are fighting side by side against a common enemy, it is going to be the natural instinct of every real man who is of any value as a man, to protect the women around him at the expense of the cause for which he is supposed to be fighting. Aside form the obvious reduction in effectiveness as a military force, one has to consider the implications of training men and women for this situation, to override their natural instincts, when they are later returned to civilian society. What can be the impact, in a civilian society, of men who have been trained to override their natural instinct to protect women? What of women who have been trained to engage in violence outside of their inherent nature? Neither of these is going to be good for the society into which these former soldiers are returned.


I would very much prefer that women not be in the military at all, and where they are in the military, that they be kept as far as possible from actual combat.

In middle of a fire fight, I protect my Marines regradless as of Gender. I see them as Marines and not as male or female during that moment.
 
My OP was just about this subject manner in the board sense not the small details if such a thing happen. Pretty sure that would be rules in place to make something like that didn't happen.


Perhaps we need to add a Department of Crybaby Men to deal with all the new regs and enforcement. Big gov to the rescue, huh?
 
Perhaps we need to add a Department of Crybaby Men to deal with all the new regs and enforcement. Big gov to the rescue, huh?

What?
 
This is programmed into us by instinct.

There are many things which are programmed into us, like the fear of that which is different and the fear of risk. Part of being a person is pushing yourself beyond your programming, otherwise you're nothing better than an animal.
 

With all the new regulations, procedures and enforcement required to implement your new rules and requirements, we'll need another Department just to take care this.

But that's ok, it's worth it, right? We'll spend millions just so crybaby men will feel better because women need to sign up for something that's never gonna happen anyway.

How about we just get rid of selective service registration instead?
 
With more and more push to for women to do combat roles in the military should women have to sign up for selective services. For those that don't know Selective Services what male Americans have to sign up for when they turn 18 so they can be drafted if a draft is ever called up again. If you fail to sign up you can face jail time, be fined, and is denied aid for college.

No, because no one of any sex should be required to.
 
With all the new regulations, procedures and enforcement required to implement your new rules and requirements, we'll need another Department just to take care this.

But that's ok, it's worth it, right? We'll spend millions and create a new government department just so that crybaby men will feel better because women need to sign up for something that's never gonna happen anyway.

Why does a new Dept. need to be made. I think Selective Services could handle just fine.
 
Why does a new Dept. need to be made. I think Selective Services could handle just fine.

I'm illustrating a point.

You are asking that a useless government activity be expanded. Have you thought about this?

Just get rid of it all together.
 
I just can't see the American public accepting their wifes and daughters being signed up in case of a draft. I know I don't want it. If you want to send your wife or daughter off, be my guest, tell em to volunteer. Leave my family out of it.
 
I'm illustrating a point.

You are asking that a useless government service be expanded. Have you thought about this?

Just get rid of it all together.


I personally don't think Selective or the Draft is useless. I think personally see it as a civil duty for being a citizen. If man and women are equal they should be both drafted.
 
I don't support drafts except for extreme situations (i.e WWII) but if men are getting drafted, so should women. Drafting women will make going to war much less attractive for many people since young women are considered more valuable than young men.

The assignments of all military personnel should be based on their proven abilities and interests, not on gender.
 
I personally don't think Selective or the Draft is useless. I think personally see it as a civil duty for being a citizen. If man and women are equal they should be both drafted.

The draft will never happen in the US again. If it did happen, we don't need a stack of paperwork (virtual or otherwise) to facilitate it - we're no longer living in 1950. Selective service registration is a waste of money and time. And you want to make it bigger! What are you, a socialist?

A waste of time and money? Expand it!
 
i'd eliminate it. there's no draft, and if there ever is one, everyone already has a social security number.
 
I think our society is deeply in error where it tries to treat men and woman as interchangeable, and to deny the essential, fundamental differences between them.

so you are saying all men are the same and all women are the same?

The idea of women being subject to the same obligation as men with regard to military service, and the idea of women serving in combat, is surely one of the most blatant areas in which this error can be seen.

except we see women in combat in other countries. If they are capable why not. No one is suggesting that they get an automatic place we are talking about signing up for a potential draft.

It is the natural role and duty of men to protect women, and to fight violently, where necessary, to do so.

Seriously? Violent women have been part of history as well. Sometimes it was women who did the protecting.

This is programmed into us by instinct.

Bull****

Similarly, wherever else the use of violence is called for, this falls under the natural role and duty of men, and not of women. To hold that women should bear the same obligation as men in this regard, is to deny the basic natural differences between men and women.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

In a practical sense, if you put men and women in a situation where they are fighting side by side against a common enemy, it is going to be the natural instinct of every real man who is of any value as a man, to protect the women around him at the expense of the cause for which he is supposed to be fighting.

Real men???? Are their fake men? Oh I get it you create a definition of men and women and anyone who doesn't fall into it is not real. Narrow views of the world limit success. I am sorry you are so narrow minded. Well trained armies don't do this. I know there are men who can't handle being around women without going crazy, I wouldn't want them in my unit in general. Most men can be trained to do their job.

Aside form the obvious reduction in effectiveness as a military force, one has to consider the implications of training men and women for this situation, to override their natural instincts, when they are later returned to civilian society.

Except there is a natural instinct to keep our friends safe. Were you in combat? Have you ever fought with someone you cared about? How is that different?

What can be the impact, in a civilian society, of men who have been trained to override their natural instinct to protect women?

Seriously? wow really? this is an argument?

What of women who have been trained to engage in violence outside of their inherent nature?

Again I think you are just scared of strong women. You should get help.

Neither of these is going to be good for the society into which these former soldiers are returned.

Well since this is about a potential draft I don't think we have to worry about it. But wait, women have been in combat, for 10 years at least. Society is still intact. Perhaps you could have a conversation with a certain Senator from Illinois. You know the one with no legs.


I am glad your mindset is a dying breed.
 
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