View Poll Results: Should women sign up

Voters
89. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    57 64.04%
  • No

    15 16.85%
  • Maybe/ IDK

    2 2.25%
  • Women shouldn't be in the military.

    6 6.74%
  • Other

    9 10.11%
Page 17 of 17 FirstFirst ... 7151617
Results 161 to 168 of 168

Thread: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

  1. #161
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Britain, Mother of Civilisation
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    468

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    simply because it happened to be on the top of my head: The bad news is that gentlemanly behavior makes people happy.

    Also because it hit all the morning talk shows and stuck in my brain housing group: Relationships with egalitarian gender roles are tied to lower marital and sexual satisfaction for women[/url].

    Research indicates that the endorsement of sexist ideology is linked to higher subjective wellbeing for both men and women...For women, the palliative effect of BS was indirect and occurred because BS-ideology positioning women as deserving of men’s adoration and protection was linked to general perceptions of gender relations as fair and equitable, which in turn predicted greater levels of life satisfaction....






    If you would like me to go out, find, and then reference a bazillion articles confirming that we are indeed mammals, and like almost all of them, but definitely including our closest cousins, we evolved gender role differentiation to better divide labor towards relative strengths, that is possible as well. I admit, however, that I continue to be flummoxed by the political side of the aisle that most ardently insists we teach evolution in all our schools being the same one that denies so vigorously its' bequeathment. Men and women are both made wondrously and wondrously different. That's not controlling for all individuals - you have outliers everywhere. But just as you can say "males are bigger than females", recognizing that there are some small men and some large women, but that the two bell curves have significantly different apexes, you can say that gender roles work better for more people for more life satisfaction because it more neatly fits with how we are made. As an example, women's brains respond differently to the sound of a baby crying, Oxytocin, the "cuddle horomone", is released during breastfeeding, enabling intense bonding between mother and baby that isn't replicated for the gender who can't excrete milk. Women are also better at multitasking, while men are generally better at focusing on one task. Etc. etc. etc.




    The counter is usually to declare some kind of denunciation of the absolute application of the principle, but that is a strawman against an argument that isn't being advanced. We are talking about broad application for the general mean of humankind.

    Since we abandoned those, however, women have become less happy, flipping an advantage in wellbeing over men in the 1970s to a disadvantage today.

    Oh. Except for conservative women.


    I'm not above admitting I'm wrong when there's evidence that contradicts my position.

    You've given me a lot to read through and think about -- thanks for this.

    I will indeed keep my promise and reconsider where I stand, as this is some fascinating stuff -- though to be honest, your argument about evolution is probably what's given me the most pause.

    It does appear true to me that sexual dimorphism would indeed create two divergent tracks of complementary strengths and weaknesses for each sex in a species.

    Fascinating.

  2. #162
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Where I am now
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 03:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,386

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Women should not have to sign up for anything more or less then men are supposed to sign up for.

  3. #163
    Sage
    Sherman123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Northeast US
    Last Seen
    11-23-17 @ 11:12 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    7,774

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    With more and more push to for women to do combat roles in the military should women have to sign up for selective services. For those that don't know Selective Services what male Americans have to sign up for when they turn 18 so they can be drafted if a draft is ever called up again. If you fail to sign up you can face jail time, be fined, and is denied aid for college.
    Of course. Why would we fail to utilize an enormous pool of human capital in a war time severe enough to necessitate a draft?

  4. #164
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,067

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I'm not above admitting I'm wrong when there's evidence that contradicts my position.

    You've given me a lot to read through and think about -- thanks for this.

    I will indeed keep my promise and reconsider where I stand, as this is some fascinating stuff -- though to be honest, your argument about evolution is probably what's given me the most pause.

    It does appear true to me that sexual dimorphism would indeed create two divergent tracks of complementary strengths and weaknesses for each sex in a species.

    Fascinating.
    Bingo. That doesn't mean that law should force any individual into roles that they particularly feel unsuited for, but it does mean that we should take pause before we try to convince young women that they must try to reject who they feel they are if they are to be "successful", or "liberated", or whatever.

    We also need to stop telling men that acting like children is acceptable, but that's a whole-nother-ball-o-wax

  5. #165
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Britain, Mother of Civilisation
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    468

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bingo. That doesn't mean that law should force any individual into roles that they particularly feel unsuited for, but it does mean that we should take pause before we try to convince young women that they must try to reject who they feel they are if they are to be "successful", or "liberated", or whatever.

    We also need to stop telling men that acting like children is acceptable, but that's a whole-nother-ball-o-wax
    I've been struggling to think what you might be referring to. I certainly don't support treating adults like children, but how is it that we do so in your mind?

  6. #166
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,067

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I've been struggling to think what you might be referring to. I certainly don't support treating adults like children, but how is it that we do so in your mind?
    No idea if this is common in scotland like it is in the US, but here we have made common a kind of extended adolescence for men.

  7. #167
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Last Seen
    06-19-14 @ 11:55 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,471

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    If they are the man in their relationship I say yes.

  8. #168
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Britain, Mother of Civilisation
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    468

    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No idea if this is common in scotland like it is in the US, but here we have made common a kind of extended adolescence for men.
    But what would that entail? I'm still not sure what an example of that phenomenon might be.

Page 17 of 17 FirstFirst ... 7151617

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •