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Thread: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I'm not saying they can't fight.

    It's not their place to go to war. It's our duty as men, to protect women, and not to put them in harm's way. This has always been true, and it will always be true. A society that is willing to use women and children as cannon fodder is a society that deserves to be wiped out.
    I'm just struggling to see how you don't realise your opinion is sexist. Believing that women are weak creatures that need protecting is not chivalrous, it is actively detrimental to their place in society, as it paints them as less-capable and less-independent.

    Anyway, who was talking about cannon fodder? I'm not saying throw them out there to get shot at -- I'm not saying that about anyone. But we should (and thankfully are) absolutely training them to be capable soldiers that can fight our wars. Where is your opposition to that?

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I'm just struggling to see how you don't realise your opinion is sexist. Believing that women are weak creatures that need protecting is not chivalrous, it is actively detrimental to their place in society, as it paints them as less-capable and less-independent.

    Anyway, who was talking about cannon fodder? I'm not saying throw them out there to get shot at -- I'm not saying that about anyone. But we should (and thankfully are) absolutely training them to be capable soldiers that can fight our wars. Where is your opposition to that?
    I did not say that women are weak, less-capable, nor less-independent.

    But it is the duty of men to protect women and children, and to keep them out of harms way. Any “man” who would willingly go along with the use of women or children as cannon fodder is no man at all; and any society that would go along with this does not deserve to prevail in any conflict in which they have resorted to such degradation.

    Call me a “sexist”, if you must, but it changes nothing. “Sexism” is not always wrong.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I did not say that women are weak, less-capable, nor less-independent. But it is the duty of men to protect women and children, and to keep them out of harms way. Any “man” who would willingly go along with the use of women or children as cannon fodder is no man at all; and any society that would go along with this does not deserve to prevail in any conflict in which they have resorted to such degradation. Call me a “sexist”, if you must, but it changes nothing. “Sexism” is not always wrong.
    While I see it as equal duty of men and women to protect the children and keep them out of harm's way, I don't think your views are sexist at all. You take the reasonable view that God (or nature if you don't believe in God) created/evolved men and women as physically different creatures with mostly different instincts and impulses.

    While there are always exceptions, we women are usually smaller and not as physically strong as the guys, while we have our own strengths. In their natural states, men and women are generally wired different and will more often than not see different things as important and have different inate abilities. That is why children so greatly benefit from having a loving mom and dad in the home--different role models that form a kind of complete dynamics that help the child, of whatever gender or sexual orientation, to develop his/her full potential including ability to form healthy relationships.

    We should celebrate that we are created male and female. It goes against nature to artificially force a sameness into gender as if there are no differences.

    And it is hypocritical to demand preferential treatment or special consideration for women because they are women while at the same time demanding they be treated as equals with men in all things.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Agreed! And since some people actually think fetuses are persons, let's sign them up too!



    I'm down with that idea, Every fetus in the USA should do its duty.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because young women are the source of the next generation of young persons.

    I'm not saying this is even a reason not to place them in combat, only that it is what makes them more valuable, in terms of species survival.
    so are young men. Unless you're planning on baby farms with artificial insemination.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I did not say that women are weak, less-capable, nor less-independent.

    But it is the duty of men to protect women and children, and to keep them out of harms way.
    Why is it "men's duty" to "protect women and children"

    Isn't it the duty of ALL adults to protect children? And certainly, as a wife, I need to keep my husband out of harm's way, just as he should be looking out for me.

    Sexism is the only answer to your statement.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Yes. If we are going to be entirely equal, then everyone should have to sign up for selective service. And why not? We accept women in combat roles and practically every aspect of the military.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I did not say that women are weak, less-capable, nor less-independent.

    But it is the duty of men to protect women and children, and to keep them out of harms way. Any “man” who would willingly go along with the use of women or children as cannon fodder is no man at all; and any society that would go along with this does not deserve to prevail in any conflict in which they have resorted to such degradation.

    Call me a “sexist”, if you must, but it changes nothing. “Sexism” is not always wrong.
    You actively ignored my question. I am not saying that we ought to use them as cannon fodder. I am saying we should train them to be competent soldiers, just as we do men.

    So, I'll ask again (I'll even bold it!), What is your opposition to training women as equal soldiers in our military?

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I'm just struggling to see how you don't realise your opinion is sexist. Believing that women are weak creatures that need protecting is not chivalrous, it is actively detrimental to their place in society, as it paints them as less-capable and less-independent.
    Actually believing in gender roles leaves people happier and more fulfilled. As we have attempted to deny their natural existence, however, women have become less happy. It seems that it is the belief that we can use ideology to override biology that is actually actively detrimental to society and the women in it.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually believing in gender roles leaves people happier and more fulfilled. As we have attempted to deny their natural existence, however, women have become less happy. It seems that it is the belief that we can use ideology to override biology that is actually actively detrimental to society and the women in it.
    This is it entirely. Without any direction or coaching or other influence from anybody, little boys, who will play with dolls at all, play with them entirely differently than do little girls. Little girls enjoy playing with model cars and such as much as little boys, but little boys will almost always make motor sounds when they are playing. Little girls don't. And you watch little boys grow up side by side with little girls, even though they are treated exactly the same, and you watch the differences develop between the genders. It isn't something that is ordered culturally or socially. It just happens.

    For this to be ignored or artificially engineered out of some sort of notion of political correctness does no service to either gender, and will almost always make them less happy, less confident, less sure of their place in the world than was the case when men were allowed to be men--expected to be men--and women were allowed to be women.
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