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Thread: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think our society is deeply in error where it tries to treat men and woman as interchangeable, and to deny the essential, fundamental differences between them.

    The idea of women being subject to the same obligation as men with regard to military service, and the idea of women serving in combat, is surely one of the most blatant areas in which this error can be seen.

    It is the natural role and duty of men to protect women, and to fight violently, where necessary, to do so. This is programmed into us by instinct. Similarly, wherever else the use of violence is called for, this falls under the natural role and duty of men, and not of women. To hold that women should bear the same obligation as men in this regard, is to deny the basic natural differences between men and women.

    In a practical sense, if you put men and women in a situation where they are fighting side by side against a common enemy, it is going to be the natural instinct of every real man who is of any value as a man, to protect the women around him at the expense of the cause for which he is supposed to be fighting. Aside form the obvious reduction in effectiveness as a military force, one has to consider the implications of training men and women for this situation, to override their natural instincts, when they are later returned to civilian society. What can be the impact, in a civilian society, of men who have been trained to override their natural instinct to protect women? What of women who have been trained to engage in violence outside of their inherent nature? Neither of these is going to be good for the society into which these former soldiers are returned.


    I would very much prefer that women not be in the military at all, and where they are in the military, that they be kept as far as possible from actual combat.
    Why is that some conservatives, instead of trying to somewhat slow the rate of progress for the sake of balance and stability, actually seek to try to turn the clock back to the 19th century? It is absurd, and you are absurd, to think in such Victorian terms about men and women's roles, and what is 'natural.'

    I don't deny for a second that men and women are different in many way. I don't deny for a second that the presence of different chemicals and hormones causes us to react differently in certain situations.

    What I do deny, and vehemently, is the outdated idea of 'weak women' who need a man to protect them. Surely all you need to do is look at the many armies around the world who have and have had women serve in front-line capacities.

    If you think that a Red Army soldier, or an IDF soldier, is not threatening to you based on her tits, woe to you if you ever get on her bad side mate.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    I have mixed feelings about this because the main reason women have not been made to sign up for the draft is a sound one. In theory, I think yes, we should have to because I think that most women would not choose the following route to avoid a draft for most wars that might require one. However, I do believe that at least some women if they got a draft notice would simply get pregnant with anyone they could find just to avoid the draft. Then we would be adding to those women who are single mothers or those children who are given up for adoption. Now, I said yes though because I also don't think, given my military experience that it would be a huge number of women who would do this. However, then again, we are talking about women who would be being forced to fight rather than volunteering. I do think though that this would be a good reason to require that any woman who comes in pregnant after getting drafted would simply have to be doing some job here at home military related. I would say the same for any man or woman that was drafted and had other qualifiers that would have exempted them from service in the past. Hopefully we wouldn't ever need the draft again anyways.

    As for both parents being drafted, I doubt that would occur. Even now, not having someone available to voluntarily take custody of your child if you are a single parent or dual military is a valid reason for not going overseas or getting deployed or even allowing one to get out of the service.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Why is that some conservatives, instead of trying to somewhat slow the rate of progress for the sake of balance and stability, actually seek to try to turn the clock back to the 19th century? It is absurd, and you are absurd, to think in such Victorian terms about men and women's roles, and what is 'natural.'
    There are things that were true about men and women, and how they differ, back in the nineteenth century, or any time before, that remain equally true today, in the twenty-first century, and which will remain true for as long as Mankind exists. I find your remarks about “…try[ing] to turn the clock back to the 19th century” and “Victorian terms about men and women's roles” to be meaningless and absurd.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There are things that were true about men and women, and how they differ, back in the nineteenth century, or any time before, that remain equally true today, in the twenty-first century, and which will remain true for as long as Mankind exists. I find your remarks about “…try[ing] to turn the clock back to the 19th century” and “Victorian terms about men and women's roles” to be meaningless and absurd.
    It used to be believed back in the 1800's that men were unqualified to give birth. Today we are more sophisticated and know that men and woman are 100% identical all the way around.

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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    I checked no, because I believe both men and women should volunteer for the armed services and there should be no conscription for either. And whether it is the fire department or police department or any branch of the military or anything else, I am 100% opposed to lower any useful educational/mental or physical standards for anything so that anybody, including women, can qualify.

    Women have always had a critical role to play in society at all levels, including the military. And that will almost certainly continue. But it is a rare woman who will have the same strength as a physically fit guy of even the same height and weight; and will have much less so with a physically fit guy who is bigger and heavier, and that will often mean that women are less well suited for certain kinds of duty than the guys are. This is true even though women can do remarkable things when they have to. They always have.

    We have a stronger, gentler, more cohesive, and more productive society when women are allowed to be women and men are allowed to be men without a whole lot of political correctness crap muddying the waters.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I checked no, because I believe both men and women should volunteer for the armed services and there should be no conscription for either. And whether it is the fire department or police department or any branch of the military or anything else, I am 100% opposed to lower any useful educational/mental or physical standards for anything so that anybody, including women, can qualify.

    Women have always had a critical role to play in society at all levels, including the military. And that will almost certainly continue. But it is a rare woman who will have the same strength as a physically fit guy of even the same height and weight; and will have much less so with a physically fit guy who is bigger and heavier, and that will often mean that women are less well suited for certain kinds of duty than the guys are. This is true even though women can do remarkable things when they have to. They always have.

    We have a stronger, gentler, more cohesive, and more productive society when women are allowed to be women and men are allowed to be men without a whole lot of political correctness crap muddying the waters.
    Is there any situation in which you would support a draft?

    I'm actually curious here, let me hasten to add.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Is there any situation in which you would support a draft?

    I'm actually curious here, let me hasten to add.
    I don't know. I can't think of any scenario in which I would see it necessary. I would like to think that a free people would rally to defend their freedom if they were called on to do so by leaders they respected and trusted.

    I am so opposed to fighting wars for purposes of containment or deterrence or for any reason other than what is necessary in our nation's explicit interest. And if we go to war, I want us to go with overwhelming force to obliterate the enemy and bring him to unconditional surrender. No pulling punches. No stopping before we have unconditional surrender. And then as we did in Germany and Japan, we can oversee their rebuilding under our terms, not theirs. I see no other justification for putting our people in harm's way. And even then it should be voluntary.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't know. I can't think of any scenario in which I would see it necessary. I would like to think that a free people would rally to defend their freedom if they were called on to do so by leaders they respected and trusted.

    I am so opposed to fighting wars for purposes of containment or deterrence or for any reason other than what is necessary in our nation's explicit interest. And if we go to war, I want us to go with overwhelming force to obliterate the enemy and bring him to unconditional surrender. No pulling punches. No stopping before we have unconditional surrender. And then as we did in Germany and Japan, we can oversee their rebuilding under our terms, not theirs. I see no other justification for putting our people in harm's way. And even then it should be voluntary.
    The only scenario I could think of wherein a draft would be reasonable: Very powerful attack on the US imminent or already underway, AND for some reason populous no longer cares enough to volunteer to defend the US.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The only scenario I could think of wherein a draft would be reasonable: Very powerful attack on the US imminent or already underway, AND for some reason populous no longer cares enough to volunteer to defend the US.
    The way I look at it, if nobody cares enough to defend us, the draft won't make any difference.
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    Re: Should Women have to sign up for Selective Services.

    If and when anyone is "called up," then all women of age should register. Since we currently have an all enlisted force, it seems unnecessary for either gender to register.
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