View Poll Results: If A Third Party Went Mainstream, Which One Would You Want It To Be?

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    2 3.33%
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
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    You try to be fiscally illiterate? That's not something to be proud of.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Since it's just a label and people can pick whatever label they like to refer to themselves, so what? Nobody elected you the official arbiter of what is and what is not a libertarian. If we go by people who only adopt the entire party platform, libertarianism looks even more pathetic than it otherwise is.
    It's not about party platform, it's about philosophy. The reality of the situation is that many people these days are slapping the "libertarian" label on themselves without possessing even a juvenile understanding of the philosophy. They think it's about guns and low taxes, they don't give a crap beyond that. Libertarianism is about self-ownership and the right of the individual to pursue their life as they see fit so long as they do not harm anyone else. It is also about, as you said, personal responsibility and reaping the consequences of the personal decisions they make while enjoying this freedom. Some of the newer libertarians do not understand this and cherrypick issues they like and think that makes them libertarian.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You try to be fiscally illiterate? That's not something to be proud of.
    My post was satire.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I dont think any 3rd party has any chance to out forward even double digit numbers on even a semi regular basis at a federal level.
    One of the problems is that no party...save, to a small extent, the Green Party... makes an effort to establish local and state bases from which to build a national base.

    Just for the sake of conversation, let's say a third party candidate could get elected President. Then what? Which party will be most likely to work with them? Neither. That's which party.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    My post was satire.
    No, your party is satire.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    It's not about party platform, it's about philosophy. The reality of the situation is that many people these days are slapping the "libertarian" label on themselves without possessing even a juvenile understanding of the philosophy. They think it's about guns and low taxes, they don't give a crap beyond that. Libertarianism is about self-ownership and the right of the individual to pursue their life as they see fit so long as they do not harm anyone else. It is also about, as you said, personal responsibility and reaping the consequences of the personal decisions they make while enjoying this freedom. Some of the newer libertarians do not understand this and cherrypick issues they like and think that makes them libertarian.
    I understand that, it's no wonder the party can't get anywhere remotely close to 5% of the electorate for matching funds. You can, of course, have whatever philosophy you want and slap whatever label on yourself that you want, but when it comes down to national leadership, the only thing that matters is who actually gets elected into office and can lead the country. Libertarians are unlikely to ever achieve that because of the extreme fragmentation of their party. In all reality, there isn't a Libertarian Party, there are a bunch of individualists all doing their own thing, with very little in common, just wearing the same hat. In terms of this thread, that makes them even less likely than the Greens or the Constitutionalists or the Communists to ever be a major factor in national leadership.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, your party is satire.
    Your face is satire.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I understand that, it's no wonder the party can't get anywhere remotely close to 5% of the electorate for matching funds. You can, of course, have whatever philosophy you want and slap whatever label on yourself that you want, but when it comes down to national leadership, the only thing that matters is who actually gets elected into office and can lead the country. Libertarians are unlikely to ever achieve that because of the extreme fragmentation of their party. In all reality, there isn't a Libertarian Party, there are a bunch of individualists all doing their own thing, with very little in common, just wearing the same hat. In terms of this thread, that makes them even less likely than the Greens or the Constitutionalists or the Communists to ever be a major factor in national leadership.
    Have you ever been to a Libertarian Party meeting? Do you have personal experience with the party itself or is your experience just primarily with asshats on political forums who label themselves libertarians but supported Mitt Romney in 2012?

    I, however, have had experience with the party. I consistently attend local meetings, and state meetings. I even attend national meetings and I can tell you from personal experience that we are united and all, save a few, share the core tenants of Libertarian philosophy.

    My beef is with the Republican "libertarians", of which are basically fake libertarians trying to rope people into continuing to vote for the party. Don't mistake the Randbots for Libertarians.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Have you ever been to a Libertarian Party meeting? Do you have personal experience with the party itself or is your experience just primarily with asshats on political forums who label themselves libertarians but supported Mitt Romney in 2012?

    I, however, have had experience with the party. I consistently attend local meetings, and state meetings. I attend national meetings and I can tell you from personal experience that we are united and all, save a few, share the core tenants of Libertarian philosophy.

    My beef is with the Republican "libertarians", of which are basically fake libertarians trying to rope people into continuing to vote for the party. Don't mistake the Randbots for Libertarians.
    Did it ever occur to you that the only people who attend those meetings are the ones who buy into the libertarian dogma, but only make up a small percentage of people who would mark "libertarian" on a ballot? Nah, didn't think so.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, go, going off the hypothetical numbers rocket was giving was being rather kind.

    I dont think any 3rd party has any chance to out forward even double digit numbers on even a semi regular basis at a federal level.
    Perot was able to get nearly a fifth of the popular vote and I think that is probably the max for a third party. The issue which will absolutely kill them and prevent them from ever getting to the mainstream is the entire civil rights laws discussion. It is simply the kiss of death for them.
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