View Poll Results: If A Third Party Went Mainstream, Which One Would You Want It To Be?

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    I'd want it to be the Constitution Party so that right-wingers would have their votes divided between the Constitution Party and the Republican Party, therefore allowing the Democratic Party to win more elections due to the divided vote and forcing the Republican Party to become more moderate. Realistically, the Libertarian Party is the most likely to go mainstream.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If dp is any indication of the body politic as a whole, if all the libertarians actually voted for the Libertarian party, they'd BE a major player.
    But it's not. It's inherently not. The majority of the general voting population do not spend significant time daily or weekly, especially on off election years, talking and going in depth about politics. DP is a horrible representation of the voting public as a whole. Ron Paul would've beaten Obama and McCain in 2008 if it wasn't

    And again, I disagree with any notion that a 3rd party would make it as a "major" party. Getting 20-30% every time and losing each time because another party always gets 20-30%, and a third almost never finishes below 40% is not a "major player". It's the Washington generals.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    None of them. The most likely to do it circulates between the Libertarian and the Green Parties, but I find them unlikely to jump into the mainstream. Nor do I want a 20-39% split between party votes. The best idea would be to remove one of the two major parties, but again, I would support most attempts to clamp down on those efforts.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I'd want it to be the Constitution Party so that right-wingers would have their votes divided between the Constitution Party and the Republican Party, therefore allowing the Democratic Party to win more elections due to the divided vote and forcing the Republican Party to become more moderate. Realistically, the Libertarian Party is the most likely to go mainstream.
    I like your thinking. Not necessarily to make the Democrats win, but to smash 3rd party voters to bits, make them hate politics, and drive them into even further obscurity.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Of course you would, it'd split one of the two parties votes to some degree thus making your desired party win. Stop acting like it's some kind of notion of wanting to see "Courage" for them standing by their "convictions" that inspired your answer rather than pure self interest.
    I freely admit that I would like to see the republican party weakened by a defection of the libertarians. However, having said that, the libertarian party and cause will never advance as long as the best they can do is a stealth action hoping to influcence the republicans as the next least objectionable alternative.

    Yes, it would mean short term loss for the Republicans. No doubt about it. But in the long term, the libertarians cad discover if they have what it takes to e a viable party and the republicans can get back to their roots without having to cater to the tea party / right libertarian types.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The reality is, given our current system, it's not realistic to have a viable third party on a national scale. PERHAPS on a state level it could work in a narrow set of circumstances. But the way our political system has grown and become entrenched in the two party setup, there's just no real feasible way for a legitimately "mainstream" viable 3rd party.

    A 3rd party becoming mainstream would most likely create two non-viable 2nd tier parties and one defacto dominant one until such a point that one of the two second tier parties devours the other and again we return to 2 party status.
    We've never had a substantial third party. It has almost always been a binary system, with the exception for "The Era of Good Feelings," which created a single-party system suffering even more focus to geographic differences and a lack of national coalition.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If a third party suddenly went mainstream and got national footing, which one would you want it to be?
    Probably none of the parties you mentioned. Has a member of the Reform Party, Perot did get 19% of the vote in 1992 and the Reform Party was about as mainstream as you can get. But we had to fight the election laws which were written by Republicans and Democrats as a mutual protect act and since Perot the two major parties has tighten their laws to ensure no third party arises to challenge them. Then there is the money issue, Corporations, Wall street Firms, hugh money donors, lobbyist, pacs and super pacs, etc. all donate their millions, their tens of millions to the two major parties. A lot of those I mentioned donate to both parties, they do not give a single dime to third parties. This is just two reasons why a third party will never be viable or gain enough strength to challenge the two major parties.

    Back when Perot ran in the 90's only 39% of the electorate said they would consider voting for a third party candidate. Today that percentage is up to 81%, which seems like good news for the rise of a third party. But it will have to over come the two major obstickes I mention above. Also back in the 90's 68% of the electorate identified themselves with the two major parties and only 32% as independents. Today only 55% identify or associate themselves with the two major parties while 45% say they are independent. This shows an over all dissatisfaction with the two major parties as they are a shrinking entity among the electorate. This also should give any third party hope, but only if it can overcome those two major obstickles I mentioned above.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I like your thinking. Not necessarily to make the Democrats win, but to smash 3rd party voters to bits, make them hate politics, and drive them into even further obscurity.
    Thank you. They do deserve it. Non-mainstream bastards.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Thank you. They do deserve it. Non-mainstream bastards.
    Yeah, how dare they not agree with the current state of failure.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But it's not. It's inherently not. The majority of the general voting population do not spend significant time daily or weekly, especially on off election years, talking and going in depth about politics. DP is a horrible representation of the voting public as a whole. Ron Paul would've beaten Obama and McCain in 2008 if it wasn't

    And again, I disagree with any notion that a 3rd party would make it as a "major" party. Getting 20-30% every time and losing each time because another party always gets 20-30%, and a third almost never finishes below 40% is not a "major player". It's the Washington generals.
    40% isn't the Generals, that's 0%. 40% is more like the Redskins.

    I you have a viable third party, you only need 34% to win. In any race other than President, anyway. In a Presidential race, 3 candidates getting about 1/3 throws it to the House. So they'll need to get that many House seats as well. However, if you have Congress split so that nobody has a clear majority, if the 3rd party stays firm they can control the election. It would require a candidate who can get enough of a coalition together to win, which would keep things like Obamacare from happening.


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