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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I bet Iran Contra is really what the founding fathers had in mind when writing the constitution...
    The difference between means and morality.

    I suppose a nice chat with Hamilton would probably muddy the waters a bit.

    DemSoc, consider the fact that the United States at the time was pretty weak to deal with "foreign" adventures (out of its reach), but held plenty appetite within the same continent. Nefarious activities were not too taboo to American leaders in the time period you're mentioning. We loved to make promises to one foreign entity (or a domestic....forced labor source) so as to eliminate our geopolitical foes. We were down and dirty in it since the French-Indian Wars, after all. Such dealings only increased once our own independence was on the line.

    The American empire has always rested upon economic thrust. The "empire of liberty" was trade. Traditional colonial matters were just too damned dirty, costly, and "mean." Economic influence was practically endorsed by most of the leadership, and had merely been more explicitly followed as the generations passed. Why go through all the bother of colonialism when you can get much of what you want through economic ties. It's less direct oversight, makes the others think they are benefiting to a great proportion as the U.S., and doesn't put the same imagery as the Brits in India or the Belgians in the Congo.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If a third party suddenly went mainstream and got national footing, which one would you want it to be?
    None. I don't believe in voting for someone just because they are in X party. As far as i'm concerned if they made an amendment to the constitution banning being a part of any political parties I'd be all for it. A person should be elected to office based on past actions and personal merit. Not on party affiliation or the lies that they tell when running for office.
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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    None. I don't believe in voting for someone just because they are in X party. As far as i'm concerned if they made an amendment to the constitution banning being a part of any political parties I'd be all for it. A person should be elected to office based on past actions and personal merit. Not on party affiliation or the lies that they tell when running for office.
    Exactly, I agree whole heartily. You got my vote. I am all for getting rid of what the found fathers and framers called factions. Getting rid of those who put loyalty to party over loyalty to country, the good and need of party over the good and need of the nation. Right on my friend. Sign me up.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The present day Republican Party is pretty much the Constitution Party in all but name...
    I'm sorry, but...
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, I agree whole heartily. You got my vote. I am all for getting rid of what the found fathers and framers called factions. Getting rid of those who put loyalty to party over loyalty to country, the good and need of party over the good and need of the nation. Right on my friend. Sign me up.
    : You can sign me up, too! I can't believe that a group of our "servants" can get away with what they're doing in DC! Exempting themselves from the laws they make that we have to follow; voting to give themselves a raise when they want one; only working basically part-time at a very highly paid six-figure job; giving themselves free perks like preferred parking, and then topping everything off - putting party over country! What arrogance, and those of us who pay their salaries are supposed to like this? We need to get this turned around now, if it's not already too late! There are a lot of hard working people in this country who don't enjoy the benefits that the people who supposedly serve us have given themselves. Rome fell for much the same reason - shall we follow them?

    Greetings, Pero.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : You can sign me up, too! I can't believe that a group of our "servants" can get away with what they're doing in DC! Exempting themselves from the laws they make that we have to follow; voting to give themselves a raise when they want one; only working basically part-time at a very highly paid six-figure job; giving themselves free perks like preferred parking, and then topping everything off - putting party over country! What arrogance, and those of us who pay their salaries are supposed to like this? We need to get this turned around now, if it's not already too late! There are a lot of hard working people in this country who don't enjoy the benefits that the people who supposedly serve us have given themselves. Rome fell for much the same reason - shall we follow them?

    Greetings, Pero.
    That is the way it is, congress regardless of which party controls it will exempt themselves from the very laws they pass 95% of the time. As ofr raises, several years ago congress passed a law which automatically give them their raise unless they vote it down. They did this so the voter would not realize they are getting raises every year. They have the best health care and pension available.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is the way it is, congress regardless of which party controls it will exempt themselves from the very laws they pass 95% of the time. As ofr raises, several years ago congress passed a law which automatically give them their raise unless they vote it down. They did this so the voter would not realize they are getting raises every year. They have the best health care and pension available.
    The only thing that consoles me is believing that the universe is fair and balanced, and the current state of affairs won't continue, because it's wrong. I'm not sure what the flash point will be, but there will be one, and that is almost guaranteed! Things have gotten too far out of whack to expect otherwise.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The only thing that consoles me is believing that the universe is fair and balanced, and the current state of affairs won't continue, because it's wrong. I'm not sure what the flash point will be, but there will be one, and that is almost guaranteed! Things have gotten too far out of whack to expect otherwise.
    Good luck with that. I believe it will only get worse as our politicians have figured out a way to make a mint without voting on making that mint for them.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If a third party suddenly went mainstream and got national footing, which one would you want it to be?
    Libertarian

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    If A Third Party Went Mainstream...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If a third party suddenly went mainstream and got national footing, which one would you want it to be?
    I am thinking it will be libertarian in bent and rise to the mainstream within a decade. But i also think it will cause growing pains and a forced moderation of a lot of stances as a broader group of voters coming will find that necessary for full buy in.

    Within twenty years I suspect that it won't be too distinguishable from the current Republican Party as it will have largely the same voter base and inherit the same problems with corruption and cronyism we currently see in the mainstream parties.

    Like a slower version of how things went with the tea party groups.
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