The Source of Black Poverty

1750Texan said:

How convenient.

How is a difference in "the man" relevant?

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Would it matter to you?

American said:

Would it matter to you?

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It mattered enough for you to make the claim on my post. Now you're doubtful that your answer would matter to me.

For future reference, keep that in mind.

1750Texan said:

It mattered enough for you to make the claim on my post. Now you're doubtful that your answer would matter to me.

For future reference, keep that in mind.

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Well you blew it off out of hand in your reply, could any answer sway you? I think it does matter who they think "the Man " is. Some think the man is "whites" and some think the man is "the government". That makes a difference.

DDD said:

Oh, no, no, no... I am not proposing to stagnate! Who could do such a thing?

I propose an explanation as to why the media and the education system is "dumbing down" Americans.

I have heard complaints about it and thus propose the explanation that the purpose to "dumb down" may be equalization of intelligences.

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Why (If it was possible.) would anyone want to try to equalize intelligence?

How would this help humanity?

Explain that to us if you can. :lamo

Soon it wont matter because all of us will be poor.
With the extinction of the middle class on the horizon and the Right's quest to take from the poor and give to the 1%, it wont be long before all of us are clumped together at the bottom with the 1% owning it all.
Our infrastructure will begin to fail in less than 20 years but we can't build a bridge because some billionaire needs some welfare, somewhere.

ThePlayDrive said:

The bottom line is that any explanation that concludes the position of the black population in American society is a function of some deficiency of blacks and "black culture" is racist. Even further, those who advocate that explanation are racists and those who persistently remain silent in the face of that explanation are cowards.

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Yeah, that's always your position. It's incorrect, but at least you're consistent.

Painter said:

Soon it wont matter because all of us will be poor.
With the extinction of the middle class on the horizon and the Right's quest to take from the poor and give to the 1%, it wont be long before all of us are clumped together at the bottom with the 1% owning it all.
Our infrastructure will begin to fail in less than 20 years but we can't build a bridge because some billionaire needs some welfare, somewhere.

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It is not the rights quest to take from the poor or the middle class to give to the 1%, the poor and middle class voluntarily line up to give their money to the rich on their own.

Painter said:

Soon it wont matter because all of us will be poor.
With the extinction of the middle class on the horizon and the Right's quest to take from the poor and give to the 1%, it wont be long before all of us are clumped together at the bottom with the 1% owning it all.
Our infrastructure will begin to fail in less than 20 years but we can't build a bridge because some billionaire needs some welfare, somewhere.

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You have never seen 'poor'.

If you want to see poor, go to North Korea, where the people are eating grass.

When was the last time that you ate grass? fill us in.

shrubnose said:

You have never seen 'poor'.

If you want to see poor, go to North Korea, where the people are eating grass.

When was the last time that you ate grass? fill us in.

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Does eating grass make your poor? I've eaten grass a few times. Some of it is sweet.

Kreton said:

Does eating grass make your poor? I've eaten grass a few times. Some of it is sweet.

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Eat all of the grass that you want to eat. No one will stop you.

StillBallin75 said:

Basically to put it more succintly, I am trying to draw a distinction between:

1) "Black culture" (and the negative aspects thereof) are the product of black people being black and lazy and ignorant, versus

2) "Black culture" (and the negative aspects thereof) are the product of centuries of oppression, segregation, marginalization and discrimination. I think this is a key difference between how left and right wingers talk about race.

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This is a point I have tried to make several times. I get a little too sentimental I think. But it is a very important distinction and really not so subtle a point that it should escape notice.

I also thought of this. White americans are funneled into subgroups within their ethnicity based on other variables such as income or education etc.; Redneck and white trash are just two examples I can think of. I don't see the same thing happening with black americans. Other than thug vs black dude. It seems to stop there, with the occasional "oh, he's just like me" being viewed as an anomaly.

opendebate said:

I also thought of this. White americans are funneled into subgroups within their ethnicity based on other variables such as income or education etc.; Redneck and white trash are just one example I can think of of how . I don't see the same thing happening with black americans. Other than thug vs black dude. It seems stop their, with the occasional "oh, he's just like" being viewed as an anomaly.

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This is true in terms of how black Americans are perceived outside of black America and particularly by white Americans. However, within black America, the members distinguish each other into subgroups based on variables like education, income, politics, location, etc.. Those subgroups are not as widely recognized and acknowledged outside of the black population, however, because black Americans rarely gets the benefit of having the heterogeneity within their racial group recognized and acknowledged by white Americans, who are "in charge". This is true, to an extent, for many other nonwhite populations as well.

Ultimately, the individuality within and heterogeneity of a population gets more widespread recognition in proportion to how much power it has because with that power, it is able to spread knowledge of those distinctions. Without that power, such distinctions tend to stay

IMO, the source of 'black' poverty is a lack of integration.

'Blacks' should be integrating with other 'races' FAR more then they do.

Stop grouping only with other 'blacks', move out of 'black ghetto's' and into better areas...even if it means sharing apartments to get by at first.

Befriend people of other 'races', work with them, socialize with them, marry them (if you love them), have children with them (if you wish)..blur the 'race' distinction so America becomes a true melting pot.

But huddling together along 'racial' lines does little more, IMO, then propagating negative 'racial' stereotypes that does no good for any decent American.


It's 2014...the days of 'race-based' communities should be long a thing of the past.

ThePlayDrive said:

This is true in terms of how black Americans are perceived outside of black America and particularly by white Americans. However, within black America, the members distinguish each other into subgroups based on variables like education, income, politics, location, etc.. Those subgroups are not as widely recognized and acknowledged outside of the black population, however, because black Americans rarely gets the benefit of having the heterogeneity within their racial group recognized and acknowledged by white Americans, who are "in charge". This is true, to an extent, for many other nonwhite populations as well.

Ultimately, the individuality within and heterogeneity of a population gets more widespread recognition in proportion to how much power it has because with that power, it is able to spread knowledge of those distinctions. Without that power, such distinctions tend to stay

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I was referring to how they are perceived by many white americans.

ThePlayDrive said:

...people don't want to understand the issue. People want to believe in narratives of the welfare queen, the violent black man, colorblindness, meritocracy and whatever other story (read: myth) white people have crafted in order to make themselves feel better about their role in the oppression of black Americans and hide, from themselves, the reality of how pervasive racism and its effects still are in our current society.

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Exactly. It's a consistent technique. Blame the people you oppress and promote the message that they are somehow in this position because of their own shortcomings and failures alone and that they are inherently undeserving. It allows them to quite the voice of their better angels.

lizzie said:

The bolded is the primary reason I don't give any specific cultural group a free pass. Many of our immigrants come here with barely a pot to piss in, and somehow, many of them manage to succeed, in spite of language barriers and cultural barriers.

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I'm not saying anyone has a free pass, it was an example of a group of people who typically hold a different cultural norm and who typically succeed because of it. It's not in their genes, it's in their sub-culture. Now if we could get blacks to do the same thing, they wouldn't have so many problems.

shrubnose said:

Why (If it was possible.) would anyone want to try to equalize intelligence?

How would this help humanity?

Explain that to us if you can. :lamo

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Cannot.

Would explain your problems though.

DDD said:

Cannot.

Would explain your problems though

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What problems?

I don't have any problems. I'm retired and enjoying my life.

DA60 said:

IMO, the source of 'black' poverty is a lack of integration.

'Blacks' should be integrating with other 'races' FAR more then they do.

Stop grouping only with other 'blacks', move out of 'black ghetto's' and into better areas...even if it means sharing apartments to get by at first.

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Now that's FUNNY. It seems that the people in Toronto feel the exact reverse method is the solution:


At least the US can point to historic cultural problems, but Canada didn't have a sizable black community until Trudeau started importing black immigrants. Canadians can't point to Jim Crow or slavery as the problems behind a 40% drop-out rate.

You're saying the solution is more integration. The black parents in Toronto are saying no, not integration, but segregation is the solution.

RiverDad said:

Now that's FUNNY. It seems that the people in Toronto feel the exact reverse method is the solution:

Back-to-school had a new twist for more than 100 students in Toronto on Tuesday as an Africentric alternative school opened its doors for the first time.

The black-focused school has sparked controversy, with opponents saying it smacks of segregation.

Supporters of the Africentric Alternative School maintain that it's important for children to understand their history and culture. They also point to a 40 per cent school dropout rate among black students.

"This will be an example of how we take the African experience and integrate it much more meaningfully and much more substantially into all areas of learning," said Lloyd McKell of the Toronto District School Board. . . .

The schools were created after parents banded together and lobbied school trustees.​

At least the US can point to historic cultural problems, but Canada didn't have a sizable black community until Trudeau started importing black immigrants. Canadians can't point to Jim Crow or slavery as the problems behind a 40% drop-out rate.

You're saying the solution is more integration. The black parents in Toronto are saying no, not integration, but segregation is the solution.

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LOL.

You know, I was going to put in my post 'right about now, racists will be fuming at my post'.

And then you show up...LOL.

BTW - I skipped reading your post - if you cannot answer my simple questions for you, I see no reason why I should waste my time reading your racist dribble...except when I want a laugh.


Good day.

You left off the history of African-Americans from your list, didn't you?

anonymous polls suck!

Historically and thru today, the two races that have done worse within the United States are the two races that never wanted to be part of the United States - African-Americans brought here as slaves and Native Americans who were slaughtered, defeated, and subjugated - both deposed of their land or taken from it.

The extreme bigotries, injustices, denial of equality, and both institutional and social abuse of both African-Americans and Native Americans is NOT ancient history of past generations now dead. That level of earned hatred does not simply vanish by declaring "we're all equal now" - when the oppressors start with 99% and the oppressed start with 1%.

There are Native Americans and African-Americans that TRULY HATE white people. While white people can say "Hey, it's all equal now" - that doesn't really work when the person claiming "all is equal" is who is who stole everything you had.

The commander of the Japanese POW camp that did such acts of torture, brutality and murder declared when the war was over "we call can be friends now." No, the prisoners threw him down a well to leave him there to slowly die of starvation in a black wet hole. Injustice isn't just erased with a declaration of "let's all be pals now."

Native American culture is far more unknown and diverse than African-American culture, and NA culture was never merged with white American culture. Nor were there genocides, sterilization campaigns, and mass relocations of African-Americans. There are Native Americans that, given the chance, would not hesitate to kill white people. Doesn't matter their age or the reason - other than they are white.

African-Americans do have reasons to be bitter and feel cheated - because they were and they are. Where I differ, though, is that hate serves no purpose. I have been in a few short arguments over "integrating into the dominate culture" with other NAs - short because I don't give a damn. DEFEATED people who are permanent defeated - as are peoples brought here as slaves and Native Americans - only have one non-self destructive alternative and that is to integrate into reality and the culture they really are in - which is the culture created by white America.

The good news is that MOST of white America is more than willing to allow such equal integration for those willing to do their half of it. Some will even give extra breaks to make it easy to do so. Hell, I'm a damn near superstar among white people. Everyone can PROVE they aren't a bigot merely by being able to say I'm one of their friends. In some regards, I can actually market it. :lol:

A real failure of the current educational system is that it teaches people to live to dogmatic slogans and ideologies - rather than pragmatic reality. Schools - nor most parents - teach their children how to play the cards in life they actual have and how to constantly be improving their hand in the game of life.

Take jobs, for example. The military has ALWAYS been the best road for people out of poverty. However, the competition to go into the military is becoming very competitive. The military increasingly is adding disqualifiers.

Do schools teach about those? How many high school kids know if they get at tattoo they are barred from military service? How many parents know if they put their kid on ANY type of psyche or behavior drug, or even just an inhaler, their child loses that option for employment?

Schools and society no longer teach people how to succeed in the COMPETITION of life - and that's what it is. Certainly is economically. Rather, they teach feel-good nice platitudes and ideology. And then the kid suddenly is 18 and with NO CLUE about actual reality.

The source of black poverty is a lack of black daddies.