View Poll Results: The Source of Black Poverty?

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  • The culture-of-poverty option

    22 37.93%
  • The black culture option

    21 36.21%
  • The racism exists option

    11 18.97%
  • All three, with some lean towards 1 & 2

    8 13.79%
  • Any combo, including government

    16 27.59%
  • Other

    14 24.14%
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Thread: The Source of Black Poverty

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, go, sing and dance for your friends. Maybe they'll invite you to dinner every now and then.
    Your messages on the forum frequently are intensely bigoted and filled with excuses and self pity. You want to put people in zoos so you can point at them and declare "pity them!" and tossing in "pity me!"

    Excuses are worthless. Self pity is worthless. Sitting in a puddle of mud and blaming others for it while staying there is ignorant - but that is what you demand people do - because your views are fundamentally bigoted and racist.

    My friends - as you put it - come to our house. Ours is the largest and most costly, because my wife and I both play our cards in life particularly well and we both have a life history to expending the efforts to improve the hand we have. We also are better at manipulating and organizing people to our benefit.

    Your view is to just rage that the game is unfair and accuse everyone of cheating. Its called being dedicated to being a loser - and demanding everyone else be a loser too.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Poverty is not color-based.
    Correct, but the forum's white male racists will insist otherwise. It makes them feel superior, where otherwise they are nobody failures.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I like your take on it. However there are cultures that use events of the past as an excuse to take the path of least resistance. There is no basis in past slavery that translates to today's lack of family structure and disproportionate percentage of abortion. In my families ascension in this country, starting as poor immigrants and rising to positions of business and political power within just a few generations, we did not see someone catching a break and doing well for themselves only to pack up a few of their closest friends and leave their neighborhoods behind. They used their success to help those who were there before their success. Consider many professional athletes and entertainers who suddenly strike it rich and disappear from the culture they escaped rather than staying to uplift those they grew up with (while at the same time claiming their "street cred"). Fathers who have no involvement with their children, would be mothers who abort their children (granted, likely because they can not afford them in the absence of the father) but continue to do this knowing how it ended the last time. To me it is not so much a remnant of a previous culture as it is a selfishness and willingness to devalue human life.


    Nobody is saying that the euro-Caucasian culture didn't work hard for their success. But as a culture that is familiar and comfortable with their members, they have not blended in outside differences or influences very well. They couldn't change enough to include Native Americans, so they either killed them or put them on Reservations.

    And historically, only recently has the racial field been leveled to be more inclusive. Any race can compete in the mixed, but culturally Caucasian dominate, capital business system. And though it's changing, it's still a club that you have to fit into.


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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    My concern for the black community takes a different form, I want them to have jobs. I believe it is devastating to black men to have such an astronomically high yearlong joblessness rate. This is why I'm so damn vocal about illegal immigration. This is a displacement that is happening. I understand that employers would rather hire a compliant Mexican illegal instead of a young black man but too goddamn bad, that young black man is a citizen and the Mexican illegal is not. With that job, a climb up the social mobility ladder becomes easier to achieve. A job is the first tool needed to start repairing the dysfunction in the black community.
    ^ Another racist message.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Interesting topic...
    I cannot claim much personal experience with the situation in question, since the area I live in is predominately white, and rural at that.
    However, IMO option 4, or possibly 5, is the most likely.

    The main cause of all poverty is cultural. There may be a race-specific culture that reinforces the poverty culture in some areas, but I think that they are mainly one and the same.
    I also think some sliver of racism exists still. And is in part reinforced (especially in areas that are both poverty-ridden and predominately populated by one race) by the 2 cultures previously mentioned. If a racist can point to "those blacks" and say "it's their culture (even if it IS, albeit area-specific more than race-specific)", it allows them to (erroneously) claim that race is one of, perhaps the main, factor....


    I also think that some government policies, again area-specific, contribute to the culture of poverty...



    Actually, I think that many of the problems we have these days can be traced back to changes in culture that have had negative effects on things.

    Some would claim things as "negative effects" (gay marriage becoming more prevalent) when they are not (or at least debatably so). This, IMO, dilutes the focus on actual negative effects of cultural changes.


    One of the MAIN cultural changes I see going on is that people tend to accept government oversight and control of far more things than would have been reasonable just a decade ago, let alone two.

    Or perhaps that has always been the case, I dunno...


    Still, I get this impression that the...foundation, if you will, of our identity (as the USA) is....dissipating. Some of the dissipation is good (racism, bigotry, etc). But it seems that the dying bad is taking the good with it...


    Hopefully something replaces it.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Yeah I took a long look and decided not to stick anything of mine in this particular snake-hole....

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    People trying to blame it on certain specific things are simplifying a complicated issue. It is indeed culture but it is also economics, history, disparity in sentencing and law enforcement, the war on drugs, breakdown of black family's... I mean seriously, it has many factors.

    The only thing that is for certain is no amount of government intervention is going to change anything. The only people who can fix the black community as a whole is the black community.

    A good place to start is teaching our young the importance and value of education and that education is cool. In school we need to be teaching them how to become PRODUCTIVE members of society. Teach them how to write a resume in English. How to speak English. The fact that people accept ebonics as OK is horrifying to me. During an interview the woman (who came dressed in a halter top and shorts) replied to "what do you want out of this position?" with "to git minez." I **** you not. How in the name of all that is holy is someone to get a job when they can't speak, and they can't dress??? Walmart here we come! I mean Asians and others come here with heavy accents and are easier to understand.

    In the end we need to start as a people... someplace. Of course when a white person points out these failings and asks for solutions they are racist. When black people ask these questions they are uncle toms. The media is content to keep us racially divided for ratings "white Hispanic."

    So I guess the problem will not get any help anytime soon.

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