View Poll Results: The Source of Black Poverty?

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  • The culture-of-poverty option

    22 37.93%
  • The black culture option

    21 36.21%
  • The racism exists option

    11 18.97%
  • All three, with some lean towards 1 & 2

    8 13.79%
  • Any combo, including government

    16 27.59%
  • Other

    14 24.14%
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Thread: The Source of Black Poverty

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    The Source of Black Poverty?
    is the source of poverty for blacks any different than that for hispanics, whites, asians, native Americans?
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    I voted "other" because I have no idea why American born Blacks cannot assimilate.

    Is it the roughly 75% birthrate out of wedlock?
    Is it the fact that 10% of the men sire roughly 90% of the children but pay for and act like a father to none (I exaggerate, slightly)?
    Is it a result of being enslaved and living a 100 years under Jim Crow?
    Is it a natural tendency to rebel against a society that fed you to slavery and a 100 years of Jim Crow?
    Is it that life is too easy for Americans, so the lowest on the pole are not motivated to rise up? After all, third generation and beyond American-born anything, White, black latino asian; fair less well than immigrants of the first through third generation.
    Is it an IQ problem?
    Is it a mental disorder: smaller gene pool with high degree of Borderline Personality and Bipolar issues?
    Is it PTSD from living in such a ****ed up environment like South Chicago?

    Like I said. I do not know. What I do know is Africans from Africa outperform American born Blacks by a wide margin.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Basically to put it more succintly, I am trying to draw a distinction between:

    1) "Black culture" (and the negative aspects thereof) are the product of black people being black and lazy and ignorant, versus

    2) "Black culture" (and the negative aspects thereof) are the product of centuries of oppression, segregation, marginalization and discrimination. I think this is a key difference between how left and right wingers talk about race.
    In the article by Coates, you can't dismiss the cultural argument. If you've been poor for generations, you almost certainly develop cultural habits. What will keep you safe in the projects, may well get you fired from a job, or kicked out of school.

    So, you have colliding worlds that don't operate by the same rules of survival. And those are mitigating circumstances that would apply to any race.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Same argument.
    I didn't think you'd pick that up.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What about redneck or hillbilly trailer folk? We can all notice certain factual traits but are looking for possible answers to what causes certain cultural conditions?
    It's the same as with any other group of poor. I came from poor and white, and for whatever reason, my parents and some of their siblings were driven to succeed against the culture they were raised in. They weren't comfortable in their poverty. They wanted out of it, by whatever means necessary, which meant hard work and a hard life. If we (as a society) make poverty comfortable, many people who live in poverty will stay there, as it is the path of least resistance. I'm not saying that there isn't an extra hurdle to jump, if you're a minority, but the willingness to do whatever it takes to succeed can easily overcome those hurdles.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    is the source of poverty for blacks any different than that for hispanics, whites, asians, native Americans?
    The last sentence of the OP asks the same question. Speculate?
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I didn't think you'd pick that up.
    Why wouldn't I? Ghetto blacks and trailer park whites share several traits - and skin color isn't one.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's the same as with any other group of poor. I came from poor and white, and for whatever reason, my parents and some of their siblings were driven to succeed against the culture they were raised in. They weren't comfortable in their poverty. They wanted out of it, by whatever means necessary, which meant hard work and a hard life. If we (as a society) make poverty comfortable, many people who live in poverty will stay there, as it is the path of least resistance. I'm not saying that there isn't an extra hurdle to jump, if you're a minority, but the willingness to do whatever it takes to succeed can easily overcome those hurdles.
    I think the article is not trying to address the factual aspects that poverty can create unfortunate circumstances, low education and less opportunity. It's more of a piece on what, if anything, can society do as a whole, to help diminish the ranks of the poor by understanding the cultural differences and causes.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The last sentence of the OP asks the same question. Speculate?
    ok, i shall
    emerging from poverty is more difficult for blacks
    because of the legacy of racism
    the kind which causes the title of this thread about sources of poverty to be focused on black poverty, rather that of all races
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think it makes some good points, however, my issue is that the "black culture" and "poor culture" options are viewed as separate and divorced. My issue with the (generally conservative) assertion that black culture is to blame for lack of black progress is that that view tends put culture in a vacuum - in other words, there is something specific about black people and their culture that is holding them back, rather than the view that any race that has gone through what blacks have gone through in American history would likely be facing the same situation.

    Whereas I personally believe that if the roles had been reversed - this is is a hypothetical of course - that if blacks had colonized America and enslaved whites and marginalized their opportunities, then whites would be in the same exact situation as blacks are in now. Racial minorities are in their respective situations today because of history and because of ongoing social forces stemming from that history. What many people like to do to too often is to blame the victim. Is that to say that black people shouldn't do more to uplift themselves? Of course not, but if we're going to actually achieve racial equality one day we also have to understand the real root of the problems themselves, and simply blaming blacks for their own problems is not a conclusion that fits the evidence.

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