The culture-of-poverty option
The black culture option
The racism exists option
All three, with some lean towards 1 & 2
Any combo, including government
The slavery issue is rediculous. There is nobody walking around today in this country who was a slave or slave owner. Let it go already. When I have changed jobs in the past it was not uncommon to take a week or two in between, but 200 years is a bit much, don't you think? In addition the descendants of the Chinese railroad workers did not seem to suffer the same fate. And before I get "But you don't understand because your great grandparents weren't slaves", I'm Polish. My descendants came here to escape the Nazis MUCH more recently. Somehow for them adversity built strength and character.
Greatness lies not in being strong, but in the right use of strength - Henry Ward Beecher
Baby sister, I was born game and I intend to go out that way - Rooster Cogburn
Your racism is not in your recognition that young black people face a lot of damaging messages. Your racism is in your inability or refusal to recognize that young white people face similar damaging messages. Your racism is in treating "black culture" as inferior to "white culture" by highlighting problems in the former while ignoring the fact that the same problems exist in the latter. It's racism, pure and simple. In fact, it's kind of like how straight people denigrate gay people by attributing things like promiscuity to "gay culture" while ignoring promiscuity among straight people.
"It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to." - W. C. Fields
yes, members of all races subscribe to negative behaviors, keeping many of them in the lower rungs of economic achievement
but those who refuse to do the things that lift oneself out of poverty - getting an education, getting married and staying married, not having a child until there is a marriage and the financial wherewithal to maintain a family - those negative traits are most endemic among black people - if not in raw numbers, certainly as a percentage of the population
yes, absolutely, many persons within the white, red, yellow and brown cultures remain in poverty for the same reasons. this is not something exclusive to the black culture, but this is something much more prevalent within the black community than the others
and here is another example displaying the substantial portion within the black community which refuses to play by society's rules:
yes, enforcement is uneven, and often biased against members of the black community, but it is a hard sell to convince me that this disproportionate amount of criminalization does not speak to something which desperately needs to be cured within the black culture
i get that there remains a residue from jim crow laws, overt racism, and a minimal economic legacy to pass forward to the next generation; those things certainly do serve to handicap the members of the black community from achieving a higher economic standing
just as i refuse to blame the teachers for poor educational results of students when we observe that many of those kids in the same classrooms learned what was being taught, evidencing it was the student rather than the teacher/system bearing the brunt of the blame for their educational failures, i also observe large numbers from the black community who do the right things to achieve financial success in America. they succeeded by their own work ethic and willingness to make the right decisions. something must explain why there is so much economic success being experienced by members of the black community - and there is, just as something else must explain the reasons why such a large number of that same community continue to reside in poverty
i believe there is a dearth of effective leadership within the black community. where once we had the likes of Dr King, we now have al 'twanna brawley' sharpton and jesse 'hymietown' jackson. bastards who are self serving shills who promote black failures as something inflicted upon the black community; those who tell those who choose to listen that members of the black community are not to blame for their bad consequences reaped from bad decisions. instead, they insist, the high levels of continued black poverty are visited upon them from outside (white) forces
even within the predominantly black churches, the non-religious focus is often on telling the congregation about the mechanisms available to obtain government assistance, and not on how to become productive citizens who will not remain reliant on such public services
but what most alarmed me about your post was your willingness to insist the other forum member is a racist because he dared voice opinions about what is presently lacking within America's black culture. that name-calling kills the dialog. without a discussion about what is preventing the black community from experiencing economic success, is it really expected that many who are in poverty will actually rise out of it by repeating the very actions that caused them to be in poverty. quit the name calling and let's continue the discussion
When I've talked about 'teaching kids to succeed' in our inner-city schools on this board, I've been met with, "Who are you to say they can't go to college??" WTF does that have to do with anything?? And who said teaching kids to deal with real life precludes college? We need two tracks in our schools, in my opinion: #1 On to college; #2 On with life. We fail at the second one.
The Latino's have a very similar hurdle to overcome, while the Asians and Indians assimilate into euro-Caucasian culture more easily. It's not 'IMO' a racism separation, as much as a cultural one, that's why I mentioned redneck/hillbillies. They're typically not successful bankers, doctors and lawyers for the same reasons.
We're almost ALL actually race centric or racists, though we're not all mean spirited bigots. Much of what is brought up as racism is merely a person favoring their cultural proclivities, which is not a horrible crime or even unethical.
I find all this casual name calling of people as racists, baby killers and perverts disgustingly stupid and hateful.
Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
I do not know of a huge music industry within the gay community that promotes promiscuity.
Last edited by CriticalThought; 04-04-14 at 10:47 AM.
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)