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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Culture of poverty option.

    Laziness, lack of work ethic, unskilled status, and a lack of education are the sources of poverty. I don't give a damn what color you are.

    Blacks just seem more prone to blame external forces, such as "the man".
    Sometimes, with complex issues, people tend to "overthink" things when, often times, the simplest explanations are the most accurate.

    Well said Gipper!

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What problems?

    I don't have any problems. I'm retired and enjoying my life.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What about redneck or hillbilly trailer folk? We can all notice certain factual traits but are looking for possible answers to what causes certain cultural conditions?
    Good point. Plenty of that here, and plenty of commonalities as well. Lack of education and family structure, along with dependence on welfare programs. Personal habits and laziness fit in there as well. Not uncommon here at the beginning of the month to see people in Walmart wearing whatever they slept in last night with a cart full of bad choices. Prepackaged foods, a carton of smokes and the latest video game. We have a very low black population here, but for the most part they are average or above average income and lifestyle.

    The slavery issue is rediculous. There is nobody walking around today in this country who was a slave or slave owner. Let it go already. When I have changed jobs in the past it was not uncommon to take a week or two in between, but 200 years is a bit much, don't you think? In addition the descendants of the Chinese railroad workers did not seem to suffer the same fate. And before I get "But you don't understand because your great grandparents weren't slaves", I'm Polish. My descendants came here to escape the Nazis MUCH more recently. Somehow for them adversity built strength and character.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is the purest racist message to date since I've been on the forum.
    It's almost as bad as posters who lie like snakes and fabricate impossibly surreal stories.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am white and I recognize that criticizing the black community can be construed as racism. But I feel for the black community. When your young people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a rapper, ball player, or drug dealer" then what hope is there for your culture? I talk to teenage black boys who worship the likes of Young Jeezy, Future, and Lil Wayne and praise the idea of drinking codeine over ice or having lots of baby mommas. This is not "art imitates life" it is "art creates an imitation of life".
    It's not "construed as racism", it is racism. Your post is racist and you are a racist. You are treating attitudes shared by many young WHITE Americans as unique to young black Americans as a means of denigrating the latter and acting as if the latter is inferior to the former. How many young WHITE people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a reality star, pop star or greedy/amoral banker"? Most of them. How many teenage WHITE boys worship those same rappers you mentioned and praise the idea of smoking marijuana and using cocaine and having a hundred sex partners? Many of them.

    Your racism is not in your recognition that young black people face a lot of damaging messages. Your racism is in your inability or refusal to recognize that young white people face similar damaging messages. Your racism is in treating "black culture" as inferior to "white culture" by highlighting problems in the former while ignoring the fact that the same problems exist in the latter. It's racism, pure and simple. In fact, it's kind of like how straight people denigrate gay people by attributing things like promiscuity to "gay culture" while ignoring promiscuity among straight people.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's not "construed as racism", it is racism. Your post is racist and you are a racist. You are treating attitudes shared by many young WHITE Americans as unique to young black Americans as a means of denigrating the latter and acting as if the latter is inferior to the former. How many young WHITE people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a reality star, pop star or greedy/amoral banker"? Most of them. How many teenage WHITE boys worship those same rappers you mentioned and praise the idea of smoking marijuana and using cocaine and having a hundred sex partners? Many of them.

    Your racism is not in your recognition that young black people face a lot of damaging messages. Your racism is in your inability or refusal to recognize that young white people face similar damaging messages. Your racism is in treating "black culture" as inferior to "white culture" by highlighting problems in the former while ignoring the fact that the same problems exist in the latter. It's racism, pure and simple. In fact, it's kind of like how straight people denigrate gay people by attributing things like promiscuity to "gay culture" while ignoring promiscuity among straight people.
    you both make valid points, but i believe your post best illustrates what is preventing many from breaking the cycle of poverty
    yes, members of all races subscribe to negative behaviors, keeping many of them in the lower rungs of economic achievement
    but those who refuse to do the things that lift oneself out of poverty - getting an education, getting married and staying married, not having a child until there is a marriage and the financial wherewithal to maintain a family - those negative traits are most endemic among black people - if not in raw numbers, certainly as a percentage of the population
    yes, absolutely, many persons within the white, red, yellow and brown cultures remain in poverty for the same reasons. this is not something exclusive to the black culture, but this is something much more prevalent within the black community than the others
    and here is another example displaying the substantial portion within the black community which refuses to play by society's rules:
    The Source of Black Poverty-graph-racial-disparity-prisons-jpg
    yes, enforcement is uneven, and often biased against members of the black community, but it is a hard sell to convince me that this disproportionate amount of criminalization does not speak to something which desperately needs to be cured within the black culture
    i get that there remains a residue from jim crow laws, overt racism, and a minimal economic legacy to pass forward to the next generation; those things certainly do serve to handicap the members of the black community from achieving a higher economic standing
    just as i refuse to blame the teachers for poor educational results of students when we observe that many of those kids in the same classrooms learned what was being taught, evidencing it was the student rather than the teacher/system bearing the brunt of the blame for their educational failures, i also observe large numbers from the black community who do the right things to achieve financial success in America. they succeeded by their own work ethic and willingness to make the right decisions. something must explain why there is so much economic success being experienced by members of the black community - and there is, just as something else must explain the reasons why such a large number of that same community continue to reside in poverty

    i believe there is a dearth of effective leadership within the black community. where once we had the likes of Dr King, we now have al 'twanna brawley' sharpton and jesse 'hymietown' jackson. bastards who are self serving shills who promote black failures as something inflicted upon the black community; those who tell those who choose to listen that members of the black community are not to blame for their bad consequences reaped from bad decisions. instead, they insist, the high levels of continued black poverty are visited upon them from outside (white) forces

    even within the predominantly black churches, the non-religious focus is often on telling the congregation about the mechanisms available to obtain government assistance, and not on how to become productive citizens who will not remain reliant on such public services

    but what most alarmed me about your post was your willingness to insist the other forum member is a racist because he dared voice opinions about what is presently lacking within America's black culture. that name-calling kills the dialog. without a discussion about what is preventing the black community from experiencing economic success, is it really expected that many who are in poverty will actually rise out of it by repeating the very actions that caused them to be in poverty. quit the name calling and let's continue the discussion
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A real failure of the current educational system is that it teaches people to live to dogmatic slogans and ideologies - rather than pragmatic reality. Schools - nor most parents - teach their children how to play the cards in life they actual have and how to constantly be improving their hand in the game of life.

    Take jobs, for example. The military has ALWAYS been the best road for people out of poverty. However, the competition to go into the military is becoming very competitive. The military increasingly is adding disqualifiers.

    Do schools teach about those? How many high school kids know if they get at tattoo they are barred from military service? How many parents know if they put their kid on ANY type of psyche or behavior drug, or even just an inhaler, their child loses that option for employment?

    Schools and society no longer teach people how to succeed in the COMPETITION of life - and that's what it is. Certainly is economically. Rather, they teach feel-good nice platitudes and ideology. And then the kid suddenly is 18 and with NO CLUE about actual reality.
    Insightful post. And points, yet again, to a school system that doesn't even begin to teach students how to succeed in life. I had a client who told me, "The only way I survived my neighborhood was to enlist in the service at 17. If I hadn't? I'd have been dead or in jail before I was 20." My hearing that was a shocking truth.

    When I've talked about 'teaching kids to succeed' in our inner-city schools on this board, I've been met with, "Who are you to say they can't go to college??" WTF does that have to do with anything?? And who said teaching kids to deal with real life precludes college? We need two tracks in our schools, in my opinion: #1 On to college; #2 On with life. We fail at the second one.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Good point. Plenty of that here, and plenty of commonalities as well. Lack of education and family structure, along with dependence on welfare programs. Personal habits and laziness fit in there as well. Not uncommon here at the beginning of the month to see people in Walmart wearing whatever they slept in last night with a cart full of bad choices. Prepackaged foods, a carton of smokes and the latest video game. We have a very low black population here, but for the most part they are average or above average income and lifestyle.

    The slavery issue is rediculous. There is nobody walking around today in this country who was a slave or slave owner. Let it go already. When I have changed jobs in the past it was not uncommon to take a week or two in between, but 200 years is a bit much, don't you think? In addition the descendants of the Chinese railroad workers did not seem to suffer the same fate. And before I get "But you don't understand because your great grandparents weren't slaves", I'm Polish. My descendants came here to escape the Nazis MUCH more recently. Somehow for them adversity built strength and character.
    It's not that slavery is still in effect, it's the precedent event that set a standard for which following generations used as an example. It became a class distinctive, dividing line that culturally was impossible to erase.

    The Latino's have a very similar hurdle to overcome, while the Asians and Indians assimilate into euro-Caucasian culture more easily. It's not 'IMO' a racism separation, as much as a cultural one, that's why I mentioned redneck/hillbillies. They're typically not successful bankers, doctors and lawyers for the same reasons.

    We're almost ALL actually race centric or racists, though we're not all mean spirited bigots. Much of what is brought up as racism is merely a person favoring their cultural proclivities, which is not a horrible crime or even unethical.

    I find all this casual name calling of people as racists, baby killers and perverts disgustingly stupid and hateful.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's not "construed as racism", it is racism. Your post is racist and you are a racist. You are treating attitudes shared by many young WHITE Americans as unique to young black Americans as a means of denigrating the latter and acting as if the latter is inferior to the former. How many young WHITE people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a reality star, pop star or greedy/amoral banker"? Most of them. How many teenage WHITE boys worship those same rappers you mentioned and praise the idea of smoking marijuana and using cocaine and having a hundred sex partners? Many of them.

    Your racism is not in your recognition that young black people face a lot of damaging messages. Your racism is in your inability or refusal to recognize that young white people face similar damaging messages. Your racism is in treating "black culture" as inferior to "white culture" by highlighting problems in the former while ignoring the fact that the same problems exist in the latter. It's racism, pure and simple. In fact, it's kind of like how straight people denigrate gay people by attributing things like promiscuity to "gay culture" while ignoring promiscuity among straight people.
    I am not pretending that it is not affecting a lot of young white men.But you cannot ignore how the likes of Lil Wayne and Future are tolerated within the black community despite what they openly promote. I have worked with a lot of college educated black men who speak openly about the "ignorant black folk" in their community. To put it beyond critism because it permeates into other racial cultures is to ignore how innately self destructive it is. Please try to defend a Future song. What is the equivalent in other racial cultures to this thuggish bullcrap?

    I do not know of a huge music industry within the gay community that promotes promiscuity.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Soon it wont matter because all of us will be poor.
    With the extinction of the middle class on the horizon and the Right's quest to take from the poor and give to the 1%, it wont be long before all of us are clumped together at the bottom with the 1% owning it all.
    Our infrastructure will begin to fail in less than 20 years but we can't build a bridge because some billionaire needs some welfare, somewhere.
    Sources please? Everything you say is bull**** btw, just for the record, but carry on.
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