View Poll Results: The Source of Black Poverty?

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  • The culture-of-poverty option

    22 37.93%
  • The black culture option

    21 36.21%
  • The racism exists option

    11 18.97%
  • All three, with some lean towards 1 & 2

    8 13.79%
  • Any combo, including government

    16 27.59%
  • Other

    14 24.14%
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Thread: The Source of Black Poverty

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Someone forgot to tell these black folks that they were suppose to remain in poverty, how dare they, don't they know they're black!?!?

    Olympia Fields, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The racial makeup of the village was 25.3% white, 69.5% black or African American, 0.1% American Indian or Alaska Native, 2.3% Asian, 0.8% some other race, and 1.9% two or more races. Hispanic or Latino residents of any race made up 2.5% of the population.[1]

    For the period 2007-11, the estimated median annual income for a household in the village was $80,888, and the median income for a family was $88,839. Male full-time workers had a median income of $90,761 versus $58,750 for females.
    Maybe they just did like everyone else who is successful and worked for what they have.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your message is per se racism in it purest form.
    Hey Joko, go fly a kite buddy. My message is 100% true in each of the facts I laid out. If you can't handle the truth, that's your hangup. Now quit being the hall monitor and go find a hobby.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Call me a racist if you want, but as a social worker, it is largely the "black culture option". The others play a role too, including the government, but nothing does more harm to the African American community than the African American community. It is a culture that often embraces and celebrates ignorance.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Call me a racist if you want
    Thanks for the invite. Ok, hi racist, how you doing this evening? Hmm, no I'm not feeling that rush of moral superiority that animates all those people who love to throw the term racist around so cavalierly. Oh well, I had to give it a try, kind of like taking a first toke. Nope, nothing. Ok, you're not a racist, but it's reassuring to see that you're not frightened of being called one. Good for you for stating your opinion regardless of the threats against you.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Thanks for the invite. Ok, hi racist, how you doing this evening? Hmm, no I'm not feeling that rush of moral superiority that animates all those people who love to throw the term racist around so cavalierly. Oh well, I had to give it a try, kind of like taking a first toke. Nope, nothing. Ok, you're not a racist, but it's reassuring to see that you're not frightened of being called one. Good for you for stating your opinion regardless of the threats against you.
    I am white and I recognize that criticizing the black community can be construed as racism. But I feel for the black community. When your young people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a rapper, ball player, or drug dealer" then what hope is there for your culture? I talk to teenage black boys who worship the likes of Young Jeezy, Future, and Lil Wayne and praise the idea of drinking codeine over ice or having lots of baby mommas. This is not "art imitates life" it is "art creates an imitation of life".

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    On the biology side, there are studies that show that blacks are behind the curve when it comes to IQ scores, and supposedly those have nothing to do with upbringing or learning - it's genetic.
    I agree that a lot of it is genetic. Yes you will undoubtedly have idiot science deniers with an agenda call you racist for pointing out the scientific facts. But it still doesn't change the facts. As a group with a mean IQ of a mere 85, blacks are definitely at a disadvantage in the job market.

    And as far as the "black culture" or "culture of poverty" holding them back, I think that is highly exaggerated. They are not lazy or averse to working. A lot of them just can't find gainful employment.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am white and I recognize that criticizing the black community can be construed as racism. But I feel for the black community. When your young people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a rapper, ball player, or drug dealer" then what hope is there for your culture? I talk to teenage black boys who worship the likes of Young Jeezy, Future, and Lil Wayne and praise the idea of drinking codeine over ice or having lots of baby mommas. This is not "art imitates life" it is "art creates an imitation of life".
    My concern for the black community takes a different form, I want them to have jobs. I believe it is devastating to black men to have such an astronomically high yearlong joblessness rate. This is why I'm so damn vocal about illegal immigration. This is a displacement that is happening. I understand that employers would rather hire a compliant Mexican illegal instead of a young black man but too goddamn bad, that young black man is a citizen and the Mexican illegal is not. With that job, a climb up the social mobility ladder becomes easier to achieve. A job is the first tool needed to start repairing the dysfunction in the black community.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    My concern for the black community takes a different form, I want them to have jobs. I believe it is devastating to black men to have such an astronomically high yearlong joblessness rate. This is why I'm so damn vocal about illegal immigration. This is a displacement that is happening. I understand that employers would rather hire a compliant Mexican illegal instead of a young black man but too goddamn bad, that young black man is a citizen and the Mexican illegal is not. With that job, a climb up the social mobility ladder becomes easier to achieve. A job is the first tool needed to start repairing the dysfunction in the black community.
    They also have to want the job. Some don't. Some of the best workers I have had the privilege to work with have been black men. But work is being undervalued in many parts of the black community. What matters now is "hussle". The ability to make money quickly and easily.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    They also have to want the job. Some don't. Some of the best workers I have had the privilege to work with have been black men. But work is being undervalued in many parts of the black community. What matters now is "hussle". The ability to make money quickly and easily.
    This is where I think that culture really does play a big part. The value of a job is best transmitted from a respected older guy to a younger guy. The appeal of hustle can only last so long in young adulthood - it's a lot of flash and its more exciting that a job, but a job is reliable and a stepping stone. If there is a generational break then you don't have those slightly older guys (I'm not talking grandpa here, but maybe late 20s) showing the way for the teens.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is where I think that culture really does play a big part. The value of a job is best transmitted from a respected older guy to a younger guy. The appeal of hustle can only last so long in young adulthood - it's a lot of flash and its more exciting that a job, but a job is reliable and a stepping stone. If there is a generational break then you don't have those slightly older guys (I'm not talking grandpa here, but maybe late 20s) showing the way for the teens.
    It is something. The older generation (50s and up) tend to value work ethic and usually have strong values. I am blown away by how much contrast there is between the grandparents and grandkids in many parts of the black community. It is way more stark than any other racial community.

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