View Poll Results: The Source of Black Poverty?

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  • The culture-of-poverty option

    22 37.93%
  • The black culture option

    21 36.21%
  • The racism exists option

    11 18.97%
  • All three, with some lean towards 1 & 2

    8 13.79%
  • Any combo, including government

    16 27.59%
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    14 24.14%
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Thread: The Source of Black Poverty

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The bottom line is that any explanation that concludes the position of the black population in American society is a function of some deficiency of blacks and "black culture" is racist. Even further, those who advocate that explanation are racists and those who persistently remain silent in the face of that explanation are cowards.
    Yeah, that's always your position. It's incorrect, but at least you're consistent.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Soon it wont matter because all of us will be poor.
    With the extinction of the middle class on the horizon and the Right's quest to take from the poor and give to the 1%, it wont be long before all of us are clumped together at the bottom with the 1% owning it all.
    Our infrastructure will begin to fail in less than 20 years but we can't build a bridge because some billionaire needs some welfare, somewhere.
    It is not the rights quest to take from the poor or the middle class to give to the 1%, the poor and middle class voluntarily line up to give their money to the rich on their own.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Soon it wont matter because all of us will be poor.
    With the extinction of the middle class on the horizon and the Right's quest to take from the poor and give to the 1%, it wont be long before all of us are clumped together at the bottom with the 1% owning it all.
    Our infrastructure will begin to fail in less than 20 years but we can't build a bridge because some billionaire needs some welfare, somewhere.



    You have never seen 'poor'.

    If you want to see poor, go to North Korea, where the people are eating grass.

    When was the last time that you ate grass? fill us in.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You have never seen 'poor'.

    If you want to see poor, go to North Korea, where the people are eating grass.

    When was the last time that you ate grass? fill us in.
    Does eating grass make your poor? I've eaten grass a few times. Some of it is sweet.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Does eating grass make your poor? I've eaten grass a few times. Some of it is sweet.



    Eat all of the grass that you want to eat. No one will stop you.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Basically to put it more succintly, I am trying to draw a distinction between:

    1) "Black culture" (and the negative aspects thereof) are the product of black people being black and lazy and ignorant, versus

    2) "Black culture" (and the negative aspects thereof) are the product of centuries of oppression, segregation, marginalization and discrimination. I think this is a key difference between how left and right wingers talk about race.
    This is a point I have tried to make several times. I get a little too sentimental I think. But it is a very important distinction and really not so subtle a point that it should escape notice.

    I also thought of this. White americans are funneled into subgroups within their ethnicity based on other variables such as income or education etc.; Redneck and white trash are just two examples I can think of. I don't see the same thing happening with black americans. Other than thug vs black dude. It seems to stop there, with the occasional "oh, he's just like me" being viewed as an anomaly.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I also thought of this. White americans are funneled into subgroups within their ethnicity based on other variables such as income or education etc.; Redneck and white trash are just one example I can think of of how . I don't see the same thing happening with black americans. Other than thug vs black dude. It seems stop their, with the occasional "oh, he's just like" being viewed as an anomaly.
    This is true in terms of how black Americans are perceived outside of black America and particularly by white Americans. However, within black America, the members distinguish each other into subgroups based on variables like education, income, politics, location, etc.. Those subgroups are not as widely recognized and acknowledged outside of the black population, however, because black Americans rarely gets the benefit of having the heterogeneity within their racial group recognized and acknowledged by white Americans, who are "in charge". This is true, to an extent, for many other nonwhite populations as well.

    Ultimately, the individuality within and heterogeneity of a population gets more widespread recognition in proportion to how much power it has because with that power, it is able to spread knowledge of those distinctions. Without that power, such distinctions tend to stay

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    IMO, the source of 'black' poverty is a lack of integration.

    'Blacks' should be integrating with other 'races' FAR more then they do.

    Stop grouping only with other 'blacks', move out of 'black ghetto's' and into better areas...even if it means sharing apartments to get by at first.

    Befriend people of other 'races', work with them, socialize with them, marry them (if you love them), have children with them (if you wish)..blur the 'race' distinction so America becomes a true melting pot.

    But huddling together along 'racial' lines does little more, IMO, then propagating negative 'racial' stereotypes that does no good for any decent American.


    It's 2014...the days of 'race-based' communities should be long a thing of the past.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is true in terms of how black Americans are perceived outside of black America and particularly by white Americans. However, within black America, the members distinguish each other into subgroups based on variables like education, income, politics, location, etc.. Those subgroups are not as widely recognized and acknowledged outside of the black population, however, because black Americans rarely gets the benefit of having the heterogeneity within their racial group recognized and acknowledged by white Americans, who are "in charge". This is true, to an extent, for many other nonwhite populations as well.

    Ultimately, the individuality within and heterogeneity of a population gets more widespread recognition in proportion to how much power it has because with that power, it is able to spread knowledge of those distinctions. Without that power, such distinctions tend to stay
    I was referring to how they are perceived by many white americans.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    ...people don't want to understand the issue. People want to believe in narratives of the welfare queen, the violent black man, colorblindness, meritocracy and whatever other story (read: myth) white people have crafted in order to make themselves feel better about their role in the oppression of black Americans and hide, from themselves, the reality of how pervasive racism and its effects still are in our current society.

    Exactly. It's a consistent technique. Blame the people you oppress and promote the message that they are somehow in this position because of their own shortcomings and failures alone and that they are inherently undeserving. It allows them to quite the voice of their better angels.
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