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Thread: The Source of Black Poverty

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

    A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

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    The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.


    The science backs up my comments.
    You should really look at newer research: http://people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/pa...ett2012int.pdf

    We review new findings and new theoretical developments
    in the field of intelligence. New findings include the follow-
    ing: (a) Heritability of IQ varies significantly by social

    class. (b) Almost no genetic polymorphisms have been

    discovered that are consistently associated with variation
    in IQ in the normal range. (c) Much has been learned
    about the biological underpinnings of intelligence. (d)
    “Crystallized” and “fluid” IQ are quite different aspects of
    intelligence at both the behavioral and biological levels.
    (e) The importance of the environment for IQ is established

    by the 12-point to 18-point increase in IQ when children
    are adopted from working-class to middle-class homes. (f)
    Even when improvements in IQ produced by the most
    effective early childhood interventions fail to persist, there
    can be very marked effects on academic achievement and
    life outcomes. (g) In most developed countries studied,
    gains on IQ tests have continued, and they are beginning in
    the developing world. (h) Sex differences in aspects of
    intelligence are due partly to identifiable biological factors
    and partly to socialization factors. (i) The IQ gap between

    Blacks and Whites has been reduced by 0.33 SD in recent
    years. We report theorizing concerning (a) the relationship
    between working memory and intelligence, (b) the appar-
    ent contradiction between strong heritability effects on IQ
    and strong secular effects on IQ, (c) whether a general
    intelligence factor could arise from initially largely inde-
    pendent cognitive skills, (d) the relation between self-reg-
    ulation and cognitive skills, and (e) the effects of stress on
    intelligence.
    To the extent that Blacks and Whites interact mainly
    with members of their own groups, potent social multipli-
    ers could be exacerbating the existing differences in intel-
    ligence. If the primary environmental causes (e.g., discrim-
    ination in jobs and housing) are removed, the multiplier
    effects should unwind; that is, the removal of small persis-

    tent environmental differences between groups could have
    large effects on group differences in IQ
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You should really look at newer research: http://people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/pa...ett2012int.pdf
    This is what the paper in your link says...

    That controversy has faded in the intervening years, as scientists have learned that not only intelligence but practically every aspect of behavior on which human beings differ is heritable to some extent

    It backs up my statement 100%.

    It's not even a controversy anymore, it's genetic.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    This is what the paper in your link says...

    That controversy has faded in the intervening years, as scientists have learned that not only intelligence but practically every aspect of behavior on which human beings differ is heritable to some extent

    It backs up my statement.

    It's not even a controversy anymore, it's genetic.
    No, that simply means that genetics plays some factor in intelligence. No one has denied that. That is far from what you are claiming however.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, that simply means that genetics plays some factor in intelligence. No one has denied that. That is far from what you are claiming however.
    BS!

    Actually that is exactly what I was claiming.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    This is what the paper in your link says...

    That controversy has faded in the intervening years, as scientists have learned that not only intelligence but practically every aspect of behavior on which human beings differ is heritable to some extent

    It backs up my statement 100%.

    It's not even a controversy anymore, it's genetic.
    To interpret that as such is madness.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    To interpret that as such is madness.
    Howso?

    Face it, the science backs up my statements 100%.

    And for you to call my statements racist is slanderous. I never claimed that people with a lower IQ or people who commit more violence are in any way inferior in he first place. I merely said that it was my opinion those traits can hurt their chances in the job market.

    Do you disagree that having a lower IQ or a violent criminal record can hurt ones chances of landing a good job?


    EDIT: And BTW, you never did tell us your theory as to why blacks commit a disproportionate percentage of violent crimes like rape where there is no economic payoff.
    Last edited by Muhammed; 04-03-14 at 05:45 AM.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    This is a matter of perspective. You use the biological/evolutionary perspective. Thousand of years of conditioning have made them biologically prone to being poor.

    But in a different social perspective values, action, and everything else is defined together from the society. So what is to keep the black people from communicating with the rest of the American body about common values and morals and pursuing them together?
    Nothing...which is why many do.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Howso?
    Everyone knows that IQ is heritable to some extent. That in no way proves blacks have lower IQs. Your leap of logic is so great and nonsensical as to indicate insanity.

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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

    A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

    snip

    The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.


    The science backs up my comments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    BS!

    Actually that is exactly what I was claiming.
    As you can see, that is not what you claimed.

    As my source points out, the IQ gap between races has gone down about 5 points in a matter of years. That strongly suggests environmental factors playing the key role in any differences, since it sure ain't genetics causing the gap to narrow.
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    Re: The Source of Black Poverty

    70 in sub-Saharan Africa.
    That's a famously debunked study. It's merely being cited by the paper. That data is not generated by the paper.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 04-03-14 at 05:55 AM.

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