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Thread: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    As there is absolutely no possible way for the U.S to supply enough natural gas to Ukraine, let alone the EU or even somehow ship it over there if we could the point is mute for the most part. Kerry can complain all he wants, and Russia will do as it pleases with it's own energy supplies.

    The EU is over a barrel and it's friends can do nothing but watch.

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Putin just loves his neighbors, doesn't he?

    That must be why there's 40,000 Russkie troops amassed at Ukraine's border, he wan't to make sure the Ukraine is nice, secure and safe.
    I'd like to see a link and photographic proof about those 40,000 troops. You been into the Kool-Aid again. Ukrainian troops are massed on the Ukrainian side of the Russian border and Russians are worried some of the Stepan Bandera militias might be inside those tanks and some idiot will fire the cannon. Just like the Maidan snipers that the opposition used did. Russia had an exercise with 20,000 troops but it ended weeks ago.

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'd like to see a link and photographic proof about those 40,000 troops. You been into the Kool-Aid again. Ukrainian troops are massed on the Ukrainian side of the Russian border and Russians are worried some of the Stepan Bandera militias might be inside those tanks and some idiot will fire the cannon. Just like the Maidan snipers that the opposition used did. Russia had an exercise with 20,000 troops but it ended weeks ago.
    KOOL-AID, that's what people say when they don't know how to respond to another person's post.

    Russia sets terms for Ukraine deal as 40,000 troops mass on border

    Russia sets terms for Ukraine deal as 40,000 troops mass on border | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    KOOL-AID, that's what people say when they don't know how to respond to another person's post.Russia sets terms for Ukraine deal as 40,000 troops mass on borderRussia sets terms for Ukraine deal as 40,000 troops mass on border | World news | The Guardian
    You really need to cull your sources to limit the propaganda.
    These foolish reporters went right along the border for 1,000 miles checking on the same thing you said.

    Tour of Ukraine-Russia Border Finds No Signs of Military Buildup
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...buildup-n67336

    "Still, the stream of YouTube video clips and photos seemed to tell a different story: long convoys of Russian armored personnel carriers on a highway headed toward Ukraine; tanks and artillery pieces moving by rail on dozens of train cars; squads of MI-24 combat helicopters perched on a hill near Belgorod, only 20 miles from Ukraine. Are these preparations for a Chechnya-like invasion, or just more maneuvers meant to intimidate Ukrainians and the West?We went to look for ourselves. Cameraman Dmitry Solovyov, sound engineer Alexei Gordienko and I packed our bags, devices and news-gathering gadgets into the back of our grey, nondescript bureau minivan and began a journey along the 1,200 mile border between Russia and Ukraine – many segments of which give no indication that it’s an actual border between two countries.Sudzha, a small town in the region of Kursk, site of the biggest tank battle of World War II, was our first destination. A tank column had been spotted there, 5 miles from the border, about a week before. But as we drove around the quaint town – equally proud of its freshly painted Orthodox Church and its bronze statue of Vladimir Lenin – we saw no tanks, or even armored personnel carriers. We did see ATM machines on almost every block. All was quiet. There was no tension in the air. Outside town, farmers were planting winter wheat.We traveled some 500 miles along the border – sometimes right next to Ukraine, at other times 30 to 40 miles from it – before we came across any sign of military activity. As we passed Belgorod’s army base, near the airport, I recognized the same MI-24 choppers I’d seen on the Internet. We got lucky – a pair took off as we drove past. We turned back to see them banking within the base’s perimeter. Nearby, clusters of military vehicles, mostly heavy trucks, were out in the open, but where were the tanks and artillery?"

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You really need to cull your sources to limit the propaganda.
    These foolish reporters went right along the border for 1,000 miles checking on the same thing you said.

    Tour of Ukraine-Russia Border Finds No Signs of Military Buildup
    Tour of Ukraine-Russia Border Finds No Signs of Military Buildup - NBC News

    "Still, the stream of YouTube video clips and photos seemed to tell a different story: long convoys of Russian armored personnel carriers on a highway headed toward Ukraine; tanks and artillery pieces moving by rail on dozens of train cars; squads of MI-24 combat helicopters perched on a hill near Belgorod, only 20 miles from Ukraine. Are these preparations for a Chechnya-like invasion, or just more maneuvers meant to intimidate Ukrainians and the West?We went to look for ourselves. Cameraman Dmitry Solovyov, sound engineer Alexei Gordienko and I packed our bags, devices and news-gathering gadgets into the back of our grey, nondescript bureau minivan and began a journey along the 1,200 mile border between Russia and Ukraine – many segments of which give no indication that it’s an actual border between two countries.Sudzha, a small town in the region of Kursk, site of the biggest tank battle of World War II, was our first destination. A tank column had been spotted there, 5 miles from the border, about a week before. But as we drove around the quaint town – equally proud of its freshly painted Orthodox Church and its bronze statue of Vladimir Lenin – we saw no tanks, or even armored personnel carriers. We did see ATM machines on almost every block. All was quiet. There was no tension in the air. Outside town, farmers were planting winter wheat.We traveled some 500 miles along the border – sometimes right next to Ukraine, at other times 30 to 40 miles from it – before we came across any sign of military activity. As we passed Belgorod’s army base, near the airport, I recognized the same MI-24 choppers I’d seen on the Internet. We got lucky – a pair took off as we drove past. We turned back to see them banking within the base’s perimeter. Nearby, clusters of military vehicles, mostly heavy trucks, were out in the open, but where were the tanks and artillery?"
    You're funny. Cull, that's another word most conservatives love to use, too funny.

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You're funny. Cull, that's another word most conservatives love to use, too funny.
    Swallow the turd, bubby. You were wrong and proved wrong. Nothing more to say.

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Swallow the turd, bubby. You were wrong and proved wrong. Nothing more to say.
    Wrong about what? 40,000 Russkie turds on the Ukraine border? Even Merkel doesn't know the exact number. And two reporters do?

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    As there is absolutely no possible way for the U.S to supply enough natural gas to Ukraine, let alone the EU or even somehow ship it over there if we could the point is mute for the most part. Kerry can complain all he wants, and Russia will do as it pleases with it's own energy supplies.

    The EU is over a barrel and it's friends can do nothing but watch.
    The EU is not 'over a barrel' they receive less than 10% of their energy supplies from Russia and have the capacity to increasingly diversify their natural gas imports and substitute in different electricity loads in the interim. This crisis is orders of magnitudes less severe than lets say the OPEC crisis and infinitely more manageable. It is however uncomfortable and not something that many European countries are eager to confront in the midst of economic recovery--but if it needs to happen it will and it can.

    Likewise the situation in Ukraine is less flexible but not impossible. At worst you would see an IMF/Western subsidization of Ukrainian gas imports from Russia over the next few years as sources are diversified. It would suck and it would be expensive but it is certainly doable. If that even becomes necessary.

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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'd like to see a link and photographic proof about those 40,000 troops. You been into the Kool-Aid again. Ukrainian troops are massed on the Ukrainian side of the Russian border and Russians are worried some of the Stepan Bandera militias might be inside those tanks and some idiot will fire the cannon. Just like the Maidan snipers that the opposition used did. Russia had an exercise with 20,000 troops but it ended weeks ago.
    Photographic proof? Unless you expect us to provide you with detailed geospatial data with ORBAT information we can't give you 'photographic' evidence of 40,000 soldiers. However we can give you details that have been universally reported with photos of Russian troops. I suspect you will dismiss these because we couldn't literally provide you with a photo with 40,000 Russian troops in it.

    Russia sets terms for Ukraine deal as 40,000 troops mass on border | World news | The Guardian
    Nato moves to bolster eastern European defences against Russia | World news | theguardian.com

    Not to mention that the initial military exercises and troop deployments to the border which started all of this were publicly announced on Russian military publications: Воинские части и подразделения Вооруженных Сил наращивают интенсивность полевых занятий на полигонах в *остовской, Белгородской, Тамб
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    Re: Kerry denounces use of energy as weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Photographic proof? Unless you expect us to provide you with detailed geospatial data with ORBAT information we can't give you 'photographic' evidence of 40,000 soldiers. However we can give you details that have been universally reported with photos of Russian troops. I suspect you will dismiss these because we couldn't literally provide you with a photo with 40,000 Russian troops in it.

    Russia sets terms for Ukraine deal as 40,000 troops mass on border | World news | The Guardian
    Nato moves to bolster eastern European defences against Russia | World news | theguardian.com

    Not to mention that the initial military exercises and troop deployments to the border which started all of this were publicly announced on Russian military publications: ’оинские ‡ас‚и и под€азделения ’оо€ƒженн‹… Сил на€а‰иваŽ‚ ин‚енсивнос‚Œ полев‹… заня‚ий на полигона… в *ос‚овской, ‘елго€одской, Тамб
    The link from Post # 14 was a drive by investigative reporters to see if there was truth to the story of the massing of troops. Only on the Ukrainian side of the border, I'm afraid. It is an NBC story and a vehicle drive along the 1200 mile border. It is a blatant recognition that the stories of Russian troop massing is propaganda. Now you know the truth. Glad I could be of help. I know you don't want to be accused of ignorance.

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