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Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

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No I don't. Our constitution is not a communist manifesto. Never was and should not be interpreted as such.

iguanaman said:
Actually a UHC system would be very much in line with out motto which is freedom and equality for all. Surely you believe Americans should have equal treatment when they are sick?
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Medicare is managed by the US Government. Its pays pennies on the dollar towards medical costs which is why many (my parents did) buy supplemental insurance. The opponents of private insurance seem to think that 5.5% profit margin they make is evil, or that they pay an executive tons of money is some how evil. Yet when we (those who think differently) point out the waste and fraud in Medicare they tell us "oh its nominal." What's next - can't check ID for access to Medicare for that'd be racist?

MaggieD said:
I'm not sure the government would administer it. I could all be administered by private insurers, no? The way Medicare supplements are administered now. The money for supplements is not paid to the government. It's paid to privates and administered by them.

Frankly? I'm not sure that isn't the way Medicare is administered now . . .
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Eliminate, for the most part, private insurance.

Eliminate FICA.

Reduce the "crowding out" effect in the medical field.

TORT REFORM!!!!!!!

Expansion, incentivization, and creation of long-term capabilities of HSAs.
 
pbrauer said:
With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
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Don't really think much of the single payer system. UK and Canada have it and the results are minimally better than the US system according to WHO. The better systems, such as France, Germany, Sweden, etc. seem to use a combination of public insurance and private insurance. This adds more of a market system with increased innovation and competition.

But I like to idea of increasing Medicare/Medicaid taxes to pay for it. The PPACA seems so unequal and subsidizes employees with health care while putting burdens on the self employed or those without a employer provided health plan.
 
pbrauer said:
With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
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Take everything that's wrong with Obamacare and hide the exhorbitant costs in the tax code. Sounds great!

:damn
 
ecofarm said:
Do you work for Alex Jones?

If you'd bother to read that article, you'd realize that represents less than .01% of allocated money and is, actually, a pretty expected loss in logistics and accounting. We are talking about the government.
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What article are you talking about? There was no article associated with my post, it was a straight video. The point being, and remains, if you want to discuss government waste and defalcation, the Pentagon is where you start as more money has been wasted and defrauded there than in the medicare system....
 
upsideguy said:
What article are you talking about? There was no article associated with my post, it was a straight video.
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The video was based on an article. And the article is being misused, by morons, to claim massive fraud in the Pentagon. Anyone who reads the article can see the errors (of such a tiny percentage) are expected in such a large (government) organization. The missing funds are .001% of allocated funds (over a LONG time period) and represent simple logistic and accounting errors.

You're pushing BS.
 
All the people that say yes need to remember to keep me out of their stupidity. Thank you.

Why people think the country needs more welfare is beyond me.
 
JayDubya said:
No, I support replacing it with nothing and Medicare for none.
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Same here. The country needs to do away with welfare, not have even more welfare nonsense.
 
pbrauer said:
With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
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In my view, it would be suicidal for the American economy, particularly as it stands now, to add a massive new payroll tax burden on both employers and employees. Even when your country recently had the payroll tax "holiday" for a couple of years, your economy remained sluggish. Adding a massive new tax on employment will drive up unemployment as businesses shed all but the most important of staff and it will drive down consumption by making American goods more expensive with fewer workers being able to afford them.

If people were willing to restructure the entire tax code/system in the US you might find a way to make this work, but I see little appetite for change that will inevitably have to have more people paying income tax and at higher rates with less in the way of deductions/loopholes.
 
pbrauer said:
With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
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God, you know what I want? Higher taxes to support other people with. I mean really, if I could just have more of my property stolen by the government to support other people I would never ask for anything else, except maybe more of income taken for other people later on. You know, when I feel like I deserve even less of the fruits of my labor and for some reason other people that did nothing to earn my salary deserve more.
 
CanadaJohn said:
In my view, it would be suicidal for the American economy, particularly as it stands now, to add a massive new payroll tax burden on both employers and employees. Even when your country recently had the payroll tax "holiday" for a couple of years, your economy remained sluggish. Adding a massive new tax on employment will drive up unemployment as businesses shed all but the most important of staff and it will drive down consumption by making American goods more expensive with fewer workers being able to afford them.

If people were willing to restructure the entire tax code/system in the US you might find a way to make this work, but I see little appetite for change that will inevitably have to have more people paying income tax and at higher rates with less in the way of deductions/loopholes.
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Henrin said:
God, you know what I want? Higher taxes to support other people with. I mean really, if I could just have more of my property stolen by the government to support other people I would never ask for anything else, except maybe more of income taken for other people later on. You know, when I feel like I deserve even less of the fruits of my labor and for some reason other people that did nothing to earn my salary deserve more.
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I see that I have been misunderstood here, I am not talking about raising the payroll tax to pay for the system. I am saying that the people would buy their health insurance from the government rather than a private blood sucking insurance company. I want to put those **** suckers out of business, they add NOTHING to the quality of healthcare but cost.
 
pbrauer said:
I see that I have been misunderstood here, I am not talking about raising the payroll tax to pay for the system. I am saying that the people would buy their health insurance from the government rather than a private blood sucking insurance company. I want to put those **** suckers out of business, they add NOTHING to the quality of healthcare but cost.
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Yeah, I already know you want the government to take over healthcare. Who do think pays for Medicare? How does it get paid for? What would be required if you expanded the program to everyone in the country? Hmmm...maybe higher taxes?
 
I know that the first thing I want to do with a broke government program is expand it. Let's expand Social Security while we're at it.
 
pbrauer said:
I see that I have been misunderstood here, I am not talking about raising the payroll tax to pay for the system. I am saying that the people would buy their health insurance from the government rather than a private blood sucking insurance company. I want to put those **** suckers out of business, they add NOTHING to the quality of healthcare but cost.
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So you want to nationalize insurance to increase efficiency and reduce cost.

Are you f'n high?
 
pbrauer said:
I see that I have been misunderstood here, I am not talking about raising the payroll tax to pay for the system. I am saying that the people would buy their health insurance from the government rather than a private blood sucking insurance company. I want to put those **** suckers out of business, they add NOTHING to the quality of healthcare but cost.
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I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. Healthcare spending/costs in the US accounts for about 18% of US GDP annually. The payroll tax isn't even sufficient to cover what it's designed to cover - social security and unemployment insurance - if you don't raise the payroll tax, how the hell are you going to pay for healthcare?

You could actually work for Harry Reid because his grasp of economic principles and the cost of policies is about as shallow as this concept.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. Healthcare spending/costs in the US accounts for about 18% of US GDP annually. The payroll tax isn't even sufficient to cover what it's designed to cover - social security and unemployment insurance - if you don't raise the payroll tax, how the hell are you going to pay for healthcare?

You could actually work for Harry Reid because his grasp of economic principles and the cost of policies is about as shallow as this concept.
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Nevermind CJ, you don't seem to want to read past my first sentence.
 
pbrauer said:
Nevermind CJ, you don't seem to want to read past my first sentence.
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Surprising, huh?

He asks how we're going to pay for it in response to your post where you explain how we should pay for it :lamo
 
sangha said:
Surprising, huh?

He asks how we're going to pay for it in response to your post where you explain how we should pay for it :lamo
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Yeah, that's too hucking fuch.
 
radcen said:
I voted yes, but as the question was simplistic I consider my vote to be simplistic as well. I favor this idea, even though it goes against what I would normally believe, but I would have to see details of the plan. I wouldn't support just any proposal put forth.
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I'm right there with you. If the plan is sound I'm okay if the tax increase is only up to 3/4 of what I currently pay for insurance. Of course that's health insurance alone - dental, for some idiot reason, is on it's own.
 
sangha said:
Surprising, huh?

He asks how we're going to pay for it in response to your post where you explain how we should pay for it :lamo
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Well, considering the ones who pay taxes are paying for everything right now anyway, consider this:

If the tax increase is less than what you pay for health insurance alone, then it's a break isn't it?
 
Gipper said:
So you want to nationalize insurance to increase efficiency and reduce cost.

Are you f'n high?
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Review the cost numbers for other nations with such a system
 
clownboy said:
I'm right there with you. If the plan is sound I'm okay if the tax increase is only up to 3/4 of what I currently pay for insurance. Of course that's health insurance alone - dental, for some idiot reason, is on it's own.
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Perhaps I was unclear, for the purposes of this plan I would leave the payroll tax alone. You would purchase and pay the premiums through the government. Today the Medicare portion of the payroll tax pays for hospitalization for 65+ seniors.
 
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