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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Medicare for all would bring health care costs more in line with what the rest of the world is paying, which is to say, about half of what we pay in the USA.
    Sweet Jaysus, can your brain not process information that you read? Does information go in one ear and then out the other? What part of this didn't you understand:

    Point #2:

    In 2009 Canada had a per capita government expenditure of $3,191 (us dollars) for health spending.
    In 2009 the US had a per capita government expenditure of $3,795 (us dollars) for health spending.

    Point #4:

    In 2009 the Canadian Government spending on health care accounted for 18.3%% of all government expenditures.
    In 2009 the US Government spending on health care accounted for 19.6%% of all government expenditures.

    Our government spending on health ALREADY exceeds what Canada spends and they're covering their ENTIRE population. How on Earth do you imagine that extending our government spending to our entire population is going to lower the amount we spend to a level BELOW what we ALREADY spend?

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Sweet Jaysus, can your brain not process information that you read? Does information go in one ear and then out the other? What part of this didn't you understand:

    Point #2:

    In 2009 Canada had a per capita government expenditure of $3,191 (us dollars) for health spending.
    In 2009 the US had a per capita government expenditure of $3,795 (us dollars) for health spending.

    Point #4:

    In 2009 the Canadian Government spending on health care accounted for 18.3%% of all government expenditures.
    In 2009 the US Government spending on health care accounted for 19.6%% of all government expenditures.

    Our government spending on health ALREADY exceeds what Canada spends and they're covering their ENTIRE population. How on Earth do you imagine that extending our government spending to our entire population is going to lower the amount we spend to a level BELOW what we ALREADY spend?

    You wouldn't be in a market for a bridge would you? I've got a bargain just waiting for you.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The video was based on an article. And the article is being misused, by morons, to claim massive fraud in the Pentagon. Anyone who reads the article can see the errors (of such a tiny percentage) are expected in such a large (government) organization. The missing funds are .001% of allocated funds (over a LONG time period) and represent simple logistic and accounting errors.

    You're pushing BS.

    You obviously did not take the time to review the video... its a CBS News piece. The crux of the video is Donald Rumsfeld stating in a 9/10/2001 speech that the Pentagon can not account for $2.3T. That amount of money is 25% of the cumulative Pentagon budget to 2001, not less than 1%. To be certain, this does not mean all of the money is "missing" or is fraud, it means the Pentagon can't keep track of its budget. This is an environment conducive for fraud.



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    You continue to make broad statements that do not address the issue at hand and are not supported. If you chose to challenge a statement I make, kindly do this board a favor and know what you are talking about by being on point and offering up evidential matter when challenged.... anything less is arguing from ignorance, which is BS.

    Now, we are wandering from the topic at hand. My original point was to challenge another statement you pulled from you A and was thus unsubstantiated, that Medicare was wrought with fraud. I was making the point that the Pentagon is a bigger problem (yet no one suggests we should shut it down or not spend any more money there).

    I suggest you slow down and not post 40,000 times working not from knowledge but from impression and perhaps post 10,000 times and contribute only in debates where you know what you are talking about or at least do the research to learn before speaking.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You obviously did not take the time to review the video... its a CBS News piece. The crux of the video is Donald Rumsfeld stating in a 9/10/2001 speech that the Pentagon can not account for $2.3T. That amount of money is 25% of the cumulative Pentagon budget to 2001, not less than 1%.
    C'mon, dude. You're being easily fooled here. The missing money was not from one year. That should be obvious to you. You don't even need to read to article to see that.

    13 years, and you're still pushing the BS narrative. Someone should have pointed this out to you years ago. It's kinda embarrassing, no?

    I suggest you slow down and not post 40,000 times working not from knowledge but from impression and perhaps post 10,000 times and contribute only in debates where you know what you are talking about or at least do the research to learn before speaking.
    You're the one that thinks the Pentagon lost 25% of its budget in one year. Because of a 13 year old article. And you never figured it out.

    If this wasn't so hilariously ironic, I'd really feel bad for you.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Absolutely, should have been so from the start. Except that medicare only covers 80%, so not good enough, and i wouldn't let states opt out.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    I'd support replacing PPACA with a House version that both parties could agree to.
    Has anyone seen a GOP version of ACA on the floor lately?

    And do this replace at exactly the Same time as they repeal it, so folks don't lose insurance due to politics .
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by sedan View Post
    Absolutely, yes.

    I would also point out that a great many other liberals feel the same way.
    This sort of implies that Obama is not the liberal Anti-Christ after all.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Democrats should love it because it helps the poor. Republicans should love it because it helps business save payroll costs related to health insurance. Immigrants should love it because chances are, that's how it was done in their country. Rich people should love it because they can save money on medical expenses. Poor people should love it because they don't have to look at a bill that they have no way of paying. The insured should love it because they will save money on insurance premiums every month. The uninsured should love it because they will feel safe knowing that a medical situation will no longer drop a nuclear bomb on their personal finances.

    There wasn't an option for "HELL YEAH, WHY HASN'T IT ALREADY BEEN DONE?"

    Who would lose if Medicare was expanded to cover every single person? OH YEAH!! ONLY ONE VERY IMPORTANT PLAYER IN THIS GAME!!!!! WHAT WAS I THINKING? You can't annhilate the insurance industry and the reason is simple. The reason you can't annhilate the insurance industry is just because.

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