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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't understand why anyone thinks healthcare run by government is such a good thing. And it's really disheartening to see so many in this poll so willing to accept such a thing. Not one program run by the federal government has a record of being run efficient. Every last one of them is riddled with waste and fraud. I don't want those with such a poor record to be part of my healthcare. Not to mention the complete government takeover of another industry. Sad so many have no problem with that and actually welcome it.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Point #1:

    The U.S. government spends more on health care than on Social Security and national defense combined.

    Point #2:

    According to the World Health Organization's "World Health Indicators 2012":

    In 2009 Canada had a per capita government expenditure of $3,191 (us dollars) for health spending.
    In 2009 the US had a per capita government expenditure of $3,795 (us dollars) for health spending.

    Point #3:

    In 2009 Canada spent 11.4% of Gross Domestic Product on health expenditures.
    In 2009 the US spent 17.6% of Gross Domestic Product on health expenditures.

    Point #4:

    In 2009 the Canadian Government spending on health care accounted for 18.3%% of all government expenditures.
    In 2009 the US Government spending on health care accounted for 19.6%% of all government expenditures.

    Conclusions:

    1.) The US Government is already spending MORE on health care per capita than the Canadian Government but only covering a fraction of the population compared to Canada.
    2.) The share of government spending as a percent of ALL government spending is higher in the US than it is in Canada.
    3.) The way that Canada manages to have a health care system which is so lean and efficient is that they practice severe rationing.
    Your Canadian numbers are either wrong or misleading.

    'By the end of 2013, Canadians will have racked up a bill of $211 billion on health care for the year, a new report says.

    In a new national report that crunches the numbers, the Canadian Institute for Health Information says that multi-billion-dollar price tag breaks down to about $5,988 per patient.'


    By the numbers: How much did Canada spend on health care in 2013? - National | Globalnews.ca


    You clearly don't know how the Canadian system works.

    The provinces are responsible for their own provincial healthcare - and they tax their citizens/companies separately to help pay for those costs.

    The federal government provides transfer payments to each province to help cover the total...but these payments are not NEARLY enough to cover the whole cost.

    So, just quoting what the federal government spends on healthcare does not even begin to cover the total costs.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You clearly don't know how the Canadian system works.
    I clearly know more about everything than you.

    1.) The dollar spending is converted to US currency.
    2.) The WHO numbers I quote refer to Government spending while yours combine government, private insurance, plus personal spending. I compared like-to-like.
    3.) My figures are from 2009, not from 2013.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Medicare/aid is the largest source of fraud in US history.
    This may well be, but one would think, that with some effort, we could combat this fraud.
    Probably quite a bit of reform is necessary.....reform disliked by some, no doubt....

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This may well be, but one would think, that with some effort, we could combat this fraud.
    Probably quite a bit of reform is necessary.....reform disliked by some, no doubt....
    It seems to me the reform should come, and be tested, before any expansion.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by sedan View Post
    Absolutely, yes.

    I would also point out that a great many other liberals feel the same way.

    That's why poll after poll shows that a majority of Americans don't like ObamaCare, but are in favor of health insurance reform.
    Then I wonder, why was this not proposed "back in the day" ???
    Or was it, and was shot down by ???

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This may well be, but one would think, that with some effort, we could combat this fraud.
    And this gets to the crux of one issue - who has greater incentive to detect and prevent fraud, a private, profit-making organization or a government which simply passes the costs of fraud onto taxpayers?

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And this gets to the crux of one issue - who has greater incentive to detect and prevent fraud, a private, profit-making organization or a government which simply passes the costs of fraud onto taxpayers?
    And MasterCard doesn't pass the cost of fraud onto it's cardholders?

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    I would only support creation of a new part(program) to Medicare; say Part E that would provide insurance to those unable to attain insurance due to costly pre-existing conditions. It could also include coverage for those that don't qualify for Medicaid but earn too little to afford the lowest cost coverage available to them. This would be less costly in the long run than the subsidies taxpayers are now footing the bill for while still paying for those seeking emergency care as they are exempt from the mandate.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    No no no no no never ever ever.

    Having worked with Medicare and seeing how the Medicare system works I would not wish that upon the nation. Giving the government sole payer status for everyone would also be a mistake.
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