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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Um except that the 30 year old already pays into Medicare and gets no service. All that is suggested is an increase in services - even if it is minor. The added tax burden - I don't believe this country wants to pay.


    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The ratio of expenditures to revenues would be much lower for younger beneficiaries. You can't really compare the cost of providing health coverage to a 75 year old with a history of heart disease to providing coverage to a 30 year old.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
    Or we could go back to the old system that most people were satisfied with. From 2006 data:



    Compared to Canadian levels of satisfaction with their health care system:


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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Perhaps I was unclear, for the purposes of this plan I would leave the payroll tax alone. You would purchase and pay the premiums through the government. Today the Medicare portion of the payroll tax pays for hospitalization for 65+ seniors.
    Oh, then no.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Or we could go back to the old system that most people were satisfied with. From 2006 data:



    Compared to Canadian levels of satisfaction with their health care system:

    Thanks for your graphs but were are not talking about the quality of care, were are talking ABOUT HOW YOU PAY FOR IT!!! UNDERSTAND????

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Nevermind CJ, you don't seem to want to read past my first sentence.
    I read what you said - it doesn't make sense.

    Do you honestly believe that government can provide the same service as a private enterprise at a lesser cost? If you do, please name one such endeavour taken on by government that became more efficient and less costly.

    Dismiss my comments all you want - you still haven't provided any rational explanation about how it would work. I can pretty much guarantee that if it takes ten employees at an insurance company to process claims it will take 30 government employees, at higher wages, with three times the management staff and political appointees to do it through government. Just look at the TSA stink a decade ago.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Thanks for your graphs but were are not talking about the quality of care, were are talking ABOUT HOW YOU PAY FOR IT!!! UNDERSTAND????
    We're already NOT PAYING for Medicare.


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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Thanks for your graphs but were are not talking about the quality of care, were are talking ABOUT HOW YOU PAY FOR IT!!! UNDERSTAND????
    With respect, that's just another stupid response. How can you possibly discuss what you pay or how you pay unless you discuss the quality and for that matter quantity or what you're buying? Do you have any idea what happens in a single payer system like Canada's?
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Review the cost numbers for other nations with such a system
    ...now adjust them for R&D, salaries, and adjustments for wait times.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    I don't understand why anyone thinks healthcare run by government is such a good thing. And it's really disheartening to see so many in this poll so willing to accept such a thing. Not one program run by the federal government has a record of being run efficient. Every last one of them is riddled with waste and fraud. I don't want those with such a poor record to be part of my healthcare. Not to mention the complete government takeover of another industry. Sad so many have no problem with that and actually welcome it.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Review the cost numbers for other nations with such a system
    Point #1:

    The U.S. government spends more on health care than on Social Security and national defense combined.

    Point #2:

    According to the World Health Organization's "World Health Indicators 2012":

    In 2009 Canada had a per capita government expenditure of $3,191 (us dollars) for health spending.
    In 2009 the US had a per capita government expenditure of $3,795 (us dollars) for health spending.

    Point #3:

    In 2009 Canada spent 11.4% of Gross Domestic Product on health expenditures.
    In 2009 the US spent 17.6% of Gross Domestic Product on health expenditures.

    Point #4:

    In 2009 the Canadian Government spending on health care accounted for 18.3%% of all government expenditures.
    In 2009 the US Government spending on health care accounted for 19.6%% of all government expenditures.

    Conclusions:

    1.) The US Government is already spending MORE on health care per capita than the Canadian Government but only covering a fraction of the population compared to Canada.
    2.) The share of government spending as a percent of ALL government spending is higher in the US than it is in Canada.
    3.) The way that Canada manages to have a health care system which is so lean and efficient is that they practice severe rationing.

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