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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    In Chapter 7, would be my guess.

    Who really cares?

    Understand that I'm not necessarily saying that I'm in favor of the OP proposal, but I fail to see how or why the fate of private insurers would have any impact on it.

    Private enterprise functions, generally speaking, by the law of supply and demand.

    If there's no longer a demand for private healthcare insurance, because what demand there is is being met by public insurance, I suspect that the private supply would dry up.

    We don't ask, "What about the private fire departments", or, "What about the private Departments of Defense", so why would we ask, "What about the private insurers"?
    My point is who gets to tell a private company they are no longer needed..the Republicans?


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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?
    absolutely.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    My point is who gets to tell a private company they are no longer needed..the Republicans?
    Well, I don't think anyone would have to tell them.

    At least not formally.

    Insurers, by the nature of the business and economies of scale, are necessarily BIG businesses.

    The CEOs of these corporations would know what was going in to a proposed bill legislating this stuff before the ink was even dry on the page.

    And I mean the page that the authors doodled out the broad strokes of the draft on before the thing even had a full compliment of sponsors or ever saw the floor.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    No, I support replacing it with nothing and Medicare for none.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    What those who support this would basically have to argue is to pay less for private health insurance premiums (something 70% of society was ok with before obamacare) and have that money shifted to the government for medicare. There would likely have to be a mandate to all medical professionals to take medicare (some don't now - don't know if that is 1%, 10% or ??). In essence its a complete government take over of the private insurance system - which you know as well as I and everyone else - that won't impact the truly elites and provisions for their exemptions will be allowed. A one system fits all for America is opposite of our system of capitalism where by the successful are rewarded and the poor are taken care of - taking the success from those who earned it and sharing it with the poor to the extreme.
    I'm not sure the government would administer it. I could all be administered by private insurers, no? The way Medicare supplements are administered now. The money for supplements is not paid to the government. It's paid to privates and administered by them.

    Frankly? I'm not sure that isn't the way Medicare is administered now . . .

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    No I don't. Our constitution is not a communist manifesto. Never was and should not be interpreted as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually a UHC system would be very much in line with out motto which is freedom and equality for all. Surely you believe Americans should have equal treatment when they are sick?

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Medicare is managed by the US Government. Its pays pennies on the dollar towards medical costs which is why many (my parents did) buy supplemental insurance. The opponents of private insurance seem to think that 5.5% profit margin they make is evil, or that they pay an executive tons of money is some how evil. Yet when we (those who think differently) point out the waste and fraud in Medicare they tell us "oh its nominal." What's next - can't check ID for access to Medicare for that'd be racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure the government would administer it. I could all be administered by private insurers, no? The way Medicare supplements are administered now. The money for supplements is not paid to the government. It's paid to privates and administered by them.

    Frankly? I'm not sure that isn't the way Medicare is administered now . . .

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Eliminate, for the most part, private insurance.

    Eliminate FICA.

    Reduce the "crowding out" effect in the medical field.

    TORT REFORM!!!!!!!

    Expansion, incentivization, and creation of long-term capabilities of HSAs.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
    Don't really think much of the single payer system. UK and Canada have it and the results are minimally better than the US system according to WHO. The better systems, such as France, Germany, Sweden, etc. seem to use a combination of public insurance and private insurance. This adds more of a market system with increased innovation and competition.

    But I like to idea of increasing Medicare/Medicaid taxes to pay for it. The PPACA seems so unequal and subsidizes employees with health care while putting burdens on the self employed or those without a employer provided health plan.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Medicare/aid is the largest source of fraud in US history.
    No, the Pentagon is.... Medicare never had such shoddy accounting that $2.3T was misplaced...

    9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon - YouTube

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