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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
    Am I missing something? Where are the private insurers in this senario?


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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Am I missing something? Where are the private insurers in this senario?
    I would envision something along the lines of Medicare as a primary insurance, but with the ability to purchase supplemental plans via private insurers. The supplemental coverage paying an additional percentage of covered services and prescriptions.

    To clarify, I see this as a 'If I have to' for the basis of discussion, rather then my preferred scenario for health care reform.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I would envision something along the lines of Medicare as a primary insurance, but with the ability to purchase supplemental plans via private insurers. The supplemental coverage paying an additional percentage of covered services and prescriptions.

    To clarify, I see this as a 'If I have to' for the basis of discussion, rather then my preferred scenario for health care reform.
    1] i doubt private insurers would settle for that option.

    2] to keep a private supplemental insurance is not fixing that problem with medicare or ACA.

    I vote no to this option.


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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    1] i doubt private insurers would settle for that option.

    2] to keep a private supplemental insurance is not fixing that problem with medicare or ACA.

    I vote no to this option.
    As I said, it's not my preferred option for healthcare reform either, but if this, as the ACA was, is done unto us, and in light of the fact that many private insurers already offer supplemental policies for Medicare, to expand the program would be fairly efficient.

    Providing Medicare on an expanded basis (to include more of the low/no income group) and release the populace from the mandated insurance and return to the free market of private or employer based insurance with a few added laws (pre-existing coverage at a higher premium, no drop unless premium isn't paid), then address the actual driving forces of health care costs a step at a time is my preferred scenario.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    As I said, it's not my preferred option for healthcare reform either, but if this, as the ACA was, is done unto us, and in light of the fact that many private insurers already offer supplemental policies for Medicare, to expand the program would be fairly efficient.

    Providing Medicare on an expanded basis (to include more of the low/no income group) and release the populace from the mandated insurance and return to the free market of private or employer based insurance with a few added laws (pre-existing coverage at a higher premium, no drop unless premium isn't paid), then address the actual driving forces of health care costs a step at a time is my preferred scenario.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    With this proposal Medicare would be supported by the payroll tax as it is today and premiums paid to the Federal Government. Individual states could opt-out from the Federal System as long as they offer a single-payer system. States that opted out of the Federal system would get the moneys from the payroll tax paid to the federal system.
    I think it would be better than the ACA, which in my opinion is a totally flawed law. But I think the cap on the payroll tax needs to be high, like somewhere around 500,000 and everyone pays it. while you're at it, raise the SS cap to 500,000 also. The ACA is a half way measure that according to gallup and rasmussen is hurting twice as many people as it is helping, I would be open to this.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    At first glance, it looks like something for me to support.
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    What those who support this would basically have to argue is to pay less for private health insurance premiums (something 70% of society was ok with before obamacare) and have that money shifted to the government for medicare. There would likely have to be a mandate to all medical professionals to take medicare (some don't now - don't know if that is 1%, 10% or ??). In essence its a complete government take over of the private insurance system - which you know as well as I and everyone else - that won't impact the truly elites and provisions for their exemptions will be allowed. A one system fits all for America is opposite of our system of capitalism where by the successful are rewarded and the poor are taken care of - taking the success from those who earned it and sharing it with the poor to the extreme.


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    Yeah, well, there's that.

    I know . . . the model includes huge HUGE deficits. That'd have to be fixed.

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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Am I missing something? Where are the private insurers in this senario?
    In Chapter 7, would be my guess.

    Who really cares?

    Understand that I'm not necessarily saying that I'm in favor of the OP proposal, but I fail to see how or why the fate of private insurers would have any impact on it.

    Private enterprise functions, generally speaking, by the law of supply and demand.

    If there's no longer a demand for private healthcare insurance, because what demand there is is being met by public insurance, I suspect that the private supply would dry up.

    We don't ask, "What about the private fire departments", or, "What about the private Departments of Defense", so why would we ask, "What about the private insurers"?
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    Re: Would You Support Replacing PPACA with Medicare for All?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    What those who support this would basically have to argue is to pay less for private health insurance premiums (something 70% of society was ok with before obamacare) and have that money shifted to the government for medicare. There would likely have to be a mandate to all medical professionals to take medicare (some don't now - don't know if that is 1%, 10% or ??). In essence its a complete government take over of the private insurance system - which you know as well as I and everyone else - that won't impact the truly elites and provisions for their exemptions will be allowed. A one system fits all for America is opposite of our system of capitalism where by the successful are rewarded and the poor are taken care of - taking the success from those who earned it and sharing it with the poor to the extreme.
    Actually a UHC system would be very much in line with out motto which is freedom and equality for all. Surely you believe Americans should have equal treatment when they are sick?

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