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  • It's wrong to date and have children with other races

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  • Interracial couples and children are completely acceptable to me

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Thread: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    But when you add the details of that negative reaction with regard to seeing a white woman with a man from another race specifically-

    It gets a little more interesting because of the assumptions you are making, at a gut level, about the woman and the quality of the man she is being seen with.
    Here is the income data on new interracial marriages. He spoke in negative terms about the white women who married black men. We can make some educated guesses by looking at the low percent who complete college and the income of that married couple. We can also look at the gender data on blacks and whites who marry out of their racial group. Black men far more than black women marry out.


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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    In part, I have to commend you for being honest.

    Tell me what you think of this. "Negative reaction" is somewhat vague. A lot of things can fall under that umbrella. But when you add the details of that negative reaction with regard to seeing a white woman with a man from another race specifically-



    It gets a little more interesting because of the assumptions you are making, at a gut level, about the woman and the quality of the man she is being seen with. Is it only beautiful women that you react to in this way? Do you pursue that any further? Do you question the validity of those assumptions at all?
    Yes, only beautiful women. If I see a white woman who isn't attractive with a man who is dissimilar to me, I pretty much just assume that they settled for each other and I don't really pay attention to them.

    I don't pursue the thoughts I have about interracial couples any further than what I mentioned, since who other people choose to date doesn't affect my life. If a woman, even a beautiful one, is interested in a man so dissimilar to me, then she's not worth worrying about anyway and so the thoughts are usually fleeting and it's certainly not something I get worked up about for more than a brief moment. More like I notice the couple, I have a negative emotion for a second, the thought might pop in to my head where I wonder why she settled for that guy, then something else typically catches my interest and I'm distracted. Often another woman.

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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And what about non-white views on racial mixing?

    Do you really imagine that reluctance and prejudice towards mixed race marriages are limited to Caucasian populations alone?
    Of course there's prejudice in non-white populations. Why would you think I'm not aware of that? The graph includes only Black Protestants, but of course there would be a significant number of anti-mixed race relationships in other religious groups. The discussion between Cephus and TED and between TED and I was about fundamentalist Christians, though, and they generally tend to be mostly white in the US, so I didn't really go looking for any further studies. The point was not to single out whites, but to prove to TED that Cephus did have a point when he said that a lot of fundamentalist Christians have a problem with the idea of interracial marriage.
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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Of course there's prejudice in non-white populations. Why would you think I'm not aware of that? The graph includes only Black Protestants, but of course there would be a significant number of anti-mixed race relationships in other religious groups. The discussion between Cephus and TED and between TED and I was about fundamentalist Christians, though, and they generally tend to be mostly white in the US, so I didn't really go looking for any further studies. The point was not to single out whites, but to prove to TED that Cephus did have a point when he said that a lot of fundamentalist Christians have a problem with the idea of interracial marriage.
    But that has nothing to do with Christianity. What you have here is a case where you have a correlation but no causation is implied.

    I can't believe I just used that line. Yuck.

    Anyway, most "fundamentalist" christians (whatever that is) are conservatives. Conservatives, by nature, are conservative (duh). Being conservative types, they see the past as iconic and they resist progressive change. Since interracial marriage was frowned upon in the past, and the past, according to their ideology, was good, therefore interracial marriage should be frowned upon.

    Just like it was in daddy and graddaddy's day.

    Christianity talks about marriage - it says two people should be "equally yoked." (A yoke is a device that ties two oxen together to drag a plow or a carriage. If one oxen is bigger than the other, then they are "unequally yoked" and the smaller one is usually injured). So a Christian would be against a marriage in which one person is significantly older and more powerful, or significantly more intelligent, significantly different religions, or something else that would prove to be a burden on the "smaller" partner. Christianity says nothing about interracial marriage being right or wrong... and it's not like they didn't have different ethnic groups when the book was written.

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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Anyway, most "fundamentalist" christians (whatever that is) are conservatives. Conservatives, by nature, are conservative (duh). Being conservative types, they see the past as iconic and they resist progressive change. Since interracial marriage was frowned upon in the past, and the past, according to their ideology, was good, therefore interracial marriage should be frowned upon.

    Just like it was in daddy and graddaddy's day.
    I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote because I think that you're basically correct. I do think though that you skimmed over one point pretty quickly though and Chesterton's Fence comes to mind:

    In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it."

    This paradox rests on the most elementary common sense. The gate or fence did not grow there. It was not set up by somnambulists who built it in their sleep. It is highly improbable that it was put there by escaped lunatics who were for some reason loose in the street. Some person had some reason for thinking it would be a good thing for somebody. And until we know what the reason was, we really cannot judge whether the reason was reasonable. It is extremely probable that we have overlooked some whole aspect of the question, if something set up by human beings like ourselves seems to be entirely meaningless and mysterious. There are reformers who get over this difficulty by assuming that all their fathers were fools; but if that be so, we can only say that folly appears to be a hereditary disease. But the truth is that nobody has any business to destroy a social institution until he has really seen it as an historical institution. If he knows how it arose, and what purposes it was supposed to serve, he may really be able to say that they were bad purposes, that they have since become bad purposes, or that they are purposes which are no longer served. But if he simply stares at the thing as a senseless monstrosity that has somehow sprung up in his path, it is he and not the traditionalist who is suffering from an illusion.

    I get the very distinct impression that most of the fashionable people who shout from the rooftops about their support of interracial marriage are the fools that Chesterton refers to - I'm betting that they can't muster up a reason for why history has seen so much disapproval of interracial marriages other than "old timer people were just stupid, superstitious, bigoted and mean" and that's about it. These people are smart, their ancestors were stupid. All people in the past were just plain stupid and did things for no reasons whatsoever.

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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, only beautiful women. If I see a white woman who isn't attractive with a man who is dissimilar to me, I pretty much just assume that they settled for each other and I don't really pay attention to them.

    I don't pursue the thoughts I have about interracial couples any further than what I mentioned, since who other people choose to date doesn't affect my life. If a woman, even a beautiful one, is interested in a man so dissimilar to me, then she's not worth worrying about anyway and so the thoughts are usually fleeting and it's certainly not something I get worked up about for more than a brief moment. More like I notice the couple, I have a negative emotion for a second, the thought might pop in to my head where I wonder why she settled for that guy, then something else typically catches my interest and I'm distracted. Often another woman.
    Okay, now I have to ask. You of course don't have to answer. How old are you?
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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Here is the income data on new interracial marriages. He spoke in negative terms about the white women who married black men. We can make some educated guesses by looking at the low percent who complete college and the income of that married couple. We can also look at the gender data on blacks and whites who marry out of their racial group. Black men far more than black women marry out.

    Accept that all of that data has absolutely nothing to do with what he claims is behind his gut reaction.
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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Accept that all of that data has absolutely nothing to do with what he claims is behind his gut reaction.
    Except for the fact that it does. He spoke to his negative reaction when seeing white women, not white men. See below. So the data on Black Man & White Woman pairings is directly on point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    As for why I think the way I do.... I said in the original post that it's a gut reaction and not something I've arrived at intellectually. I see a white man with a black girl, I think "good for him." I see a black man with a white woman and I think "she must have herpes or something."

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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Except for the fact that it does. He spoke to his negative reaction when seeing white women, not white men. See below. So the data on Black Man & White Woman pairings is directly on point.
    Do ever read past what you want to hear in someones post to what it is they actually said?
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    Re: Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

    It seems at least 8 people are bigots on this site.


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